First visit with Hypnotherapist...guardian...

[vagirl]

It was a consultation, but a great one.


My therapist said that she saw a guardian with me. That he was actively around me and that he even kissed me once while I was crying in her office. She told me his name and he like icecream.

I do not understand the whole concept. It fascinates me, but how does a guardian like icecream, how does she know these things, and how can she see him and I can't? She said he was very handsome too...

[mojczak]

Im pretty much sure it has nothing to do with hypnosis session... but heck, I'd love to know how a guardian love ice cream too...

[Poodle]

Some people are quite lucky in that they are able to see the angels. There are actually ten different classfications (types) of angels. All of them want to be of assistance to us if we just ask them. One of my best friends sees and can talk to angels. Most of us cannot see the angels but that does not mean they are not near.

Be happy and rejoice that you are soooo very loved.

Pood

[Don]

While I agree with Poodle's comments about angels, I would add that I also agree with mojczak's comment.

In your few sentences you couldn't possible describe all that went on in your consultation, but if I went to a hypnotherapist and the main focus was angels, I honestly think I would seek someone else. On the other hand, if a client focused on angels and was upset, and if I saw, heard, or sensed an angel, I might describe what your hypnotherapist talked about, too.

[Terry]

I too believe in God, Angels and guardian angels, but I also have a problem with your post...Please refrain from using the term "therapy" when discussing a con artist who battens on the gullible...
Yes indeed, there are those who see what most cannot, but from what you post I read "con" instantly. Iced cream indeed, no spirit loves such earthly pleasures, they are far to busy being spirits without stomachs, without taste buds, without bad habits...... :D Now pull the other leg....:eek:

Oh yes, what has this to do with any form of hypnosis pray tell?:mad:

[Simple Guy]

"Iced cream indeed, no spirit loves such earthly pleasures, they are far to busy being spirits without stomachs, without taste buds, without bad habits...... :D Now pull the other leg....:eek:"

Terry,

Aw, now you've gone and ruined my plans to hypnotherapize the
spirits for weight control and bad habits. :)

[vagirl]

Well, I went in for a Hypnosis consultation.

I teach Hypnosis for childbirth and we ended up talking about my life, etc...

She showed me the room where she does spiritual healings and I said that I felt something in that room. She then told me she saw a man with me, told me his name and that he protected me.

Later on she said he likes icecream and then told her something about a blue pontiac and asked if I knew what he was trying to tell her. She also said he was trying to tell her something to do with hitting. She asked me if my husband hits me (he does NOT)....

I do not know what to think of all this. I really felt comfortable with this woman, but I do not understand how a guardian/protector could like icecream. Unless it is a spirit how was passed and use to like it?!

Silly, I know but I do not want to go back to her if she is pulling my leg. But I really felt very spiritual while with her, it felt right in her office.

I was uncomfortable b/c I cried while discussing something with her and I NEVER cry!

[Simple Guy]

Vagirl,

I don't know why you cried. I don't know why you never cry. I do
know that crying can accompany very carthartic/healing experiences.
I make absolutely no reference to your experience with this person.
Only speaking in generalities, but I do know what I'm talking about.
Of course, those kinds of carthartic/healing experiences are possible
only in the right venues, at the right times, and are particular to the
comfort, needs and circumstances of the cryer.

[vagirl]

I don't really understand what you are saying, can you elaborate?

[Poodle]

There is a book by Sylvia Brown, "Book of Angels". You just may enjoy a different view of angels than from what some people write.

What Simple Guy was telling you is that some hypnotherapists like what we call "abreactions". An abreaction is taking you back to relive something negative in your past, i.e., something that will make you cry and then the abreaction is hypnotically "taken care of" so some people can find the release cathardic.

I personally don't do that and I would never cause one and if one happens, which is rare, I "fix" it immediately. My view is that my client has already lived through it once and that was more than sufficient without having to go over and over and over and over it AGAIN.

Since you like working with your hypnotherapist, keep it up. Everyone marches to a different drummer.

Enjoy,
Pood

[Simple Guy]

Hi Vagirl,

A healthy expression of emotions can be highly beneficial to a person.
(Repressed emotions can be damaging.) A catharsis can be a
healthy release or expression. Safe and supportive environments
for this kind of thing, are really important. Vagirl, I wouldn't presume
to advise anyone as to what might or might not be needed for him/her
via the internet; not that anyone asked. :)

[Simple Guy]

Hi Poodle,

Actually, I wasn't speaking of abreactions. I never seek abreactions.
Never. I've no problem, though, with passing some tissues for the
teary eyed, who aren't feeling bad at the time, but are feeling
good and better for the experience.

Simple Guy, talking of a "good" cry -- the cleansing, feel better for it
kind, not the unresourceful event that conventional therapists
often evoke.

[Connie]

I have a guardian angel...and they were on the ball the other day. Some MANIAC on the road tried to kill us, passed us within inches at high speed. Miraculously, there was no contact, no accident.

I've always felt like something is protecting me. I don't see it, however. One time I went to a "tarot reader" who described the physical aspect of the "person." But that's a tarot reader's opinion, operating in a park with a sandwich board.

If I went to a professional hypnotherapist, I would not be expecting a discussion of "angels." Not unless it was some kind of metaphor presented within a hypnosis session.

[Terry]

Let me be quite sure I got it right. (a) YOU teach hypnosis for childbirth, is that correct? (b) You booked a hypnosis consultation with a practitioner of hypnosis? (c) You ended up visiting her place of business, and the room where she chooses to practise Spiritual Healing, and she gave you a reading..? NOW, is that separate from the hypnosis consultation, or did it replace it?. Also, why do you come here with such a story and apparently see no problem with a hypnosis consultation being turned into a spiritual reading, even if it was separate....I wouldn't want any member of my family taking a course from you I confess since you see no difference between the two.... :confused:

[mojczak]

There is something strange with the guardian angel mentality thing which I will hardly understand. It's why the people are so happy to have that protection... even if I believed in angels and the like, even if they would exist (I won't pretend I have a metaphysical answer to that but I am a sceptic and will probably be for a very long time again) I still would'nt want to be protected, overlooked by or either way have anything eased by anything than pure will. I'd rather be hit by a car than protected by some X thing... and I felt I wasn't harsh on myself enough, and that most people were like that in the world before I started getting out of my world.

[mojczak]

But even there I am a sceptic, but every and single person who would tell me they were able to "read" auras, or past lifes always more or less ended up telling me (A) I was myself an angel... (happened 3 times with completely unrelated persons) ... litteraly with wings (2) (B) I had a very very old soul and killed myself in most of my past lives (happened 3 times) (C) That I had a rainbow-like powerful aura and that it was projecting over miles, even in my depressed state (4 times) and that it could project way farther than that

[Connie]

I'd rather be hit by a car than protected by some X thing...

That's nice. Seems to be a reply in response to my post. Having experienced (vicariously) what it means to a person and a family (not vicariously) to have a potentially fatal car accident, I'll opt for the protection. From any quarter, real or imagined.

[mojczak]

Unconsciously taken the same exemple. Not meant to be an attack or whatsoever. Sorry if offended, wasn't meant to.

[Don]

I have a "thing" about language, mojczak.

You're not a skeptic. You, and others with the beliefs you share, have worked hard to destroy the meaning of the term.

Traditionally, a skeptic was a person who is undecided, inclined to question, or doubts. On these topics you are not undecided, you do not question your belief system, and you have no doubts that you are correct--you are basically a fundamentalist religionist, the antithesis of true skepticism, and you--and others like you--have mutated and destroyed the term to as a description of your religion.

And what is that religion? Pseudo-science. For thousands of years, humanity has struggled to move away from hysterical imagination and unproven beliefs, adopting the system invented by medieval alchemists as their own and calling it the "scientific method." Those such as yourself who have destroyed the true meaning of skepticism claim to be defenders of the scientific method, when, in fact, they have abandoned it as quickly and easily as any religious fundamentalists.

Mojczak, if you want to be part of a religion, that's fine. But don't insult those of us who know English by attempting to redefine reality.

[mojczak]

Trully I am skeptic with potential agnostism. Could well be something, I don't prentend to hold ultimate truth and that I have ultimate comprehension of the universe, but I am sure those religious people do not either, but for me religions and religious texts are poetisation of the same doubts and definitely not truth either unless you decide to take it as such. And I do believe that science as way too many loopholes too, can't stand those scientific totalitarists. You know, when something has so many exceptions it's time to redefine the rule, not confirm it... science, applied blindly, is utterly limitative.

[Don]

science, applied blindly, is utterly limitative.

Anything, applied blindly, is limitative. Science is expansive. If what you are doing is not expansive, it's not science. And respectfully, your denials of what you don't believe in have nothing to do with science. They show rote repetition of religious dogma.

[mojczak]

Anything, applied blindly, is limitative. Science is expansive. If what you are doing is not expansive, it's not science. And respectfully, your denials of what you don't believe in have nothing to do with science. They show rote repetition of religious dogma.


Then I guess it's dogmas against dogmas, who will win? I think the guy with the marijuana is on his way... Religion is not expansive. I guess my religion is creativity then... art is endless. If spirituality must be expansive. Down-to-earth spirituality, art. I believe in utopias too, when people believe in fairies, I believe my dream is not just a dream, and that some day we will be enough to do the math and be able to change the world before it crumbles.

[Terry]

Mojak, you remind me of a story I once heard, a joke really I suppose. You remind me because of your constant attempt to use rarely used words in an improper manner, and when corrected, ignore what was said and view it as an attack....There was once a lady who grew up in poor circumstances, with a poor eductation, but later became rich. To her, this meant finding new friends who were also rich. Rather than improve on her education by taking classes, she used a dictionary to find new words that when used would impress her new friends and give the impression of her having a good eductation... On one occassion, she was out on a group bus trip, and on the way to the intended location, they passed a farm, and saw a group of chickens outside, and she noted that a group of them seemed to be attacking one particullar chicken. Having recently noted a word in the dictionary, but forgetting the explanation, she called out, "oh look at that chicken with his arse pecked. (aspect if you didn;t get it.)
As a joke it is funny, but finding someone who wishes to be seen as something he is not bothers me somewhat since nobody should be ashamed of what they are unless they are too lazy to improve in order to be something they can respect...Nothing wrong with using a dictionary if you need it.

[mojczak]

The day I will want to be seen as something I am not I will come take your advice. Old wise man. What you refer to as misuse or mispelling is probably just my intuitive direct translation from french, when it remains understandable and that I know the word, albeit possibly spelled differently I try my intuition. That too, doing mistakes, is a great way to learn. And intuitive learning leaves way much room on the long run. As for skepticism, I even checked in a dictionary (both french and english) to be sure when don told me. Have you?

[Jack]

Vagirl, If one believes in angels the it is not unreasonable to assume that angels may be capable of enjoying ice-cream.

Personally, I know nothing of the life of angels. I have the assumption that they are shimmery beings with wings and fresh white gowns, but that is the result of a Judaeo/Christian upbringing and not that of personal experience. In other cultures angels may not be like that at all.

In Micronesia there is one tribe, who regularly commune with long dead ancestors and their angel guides. They are not dressed in white but rather are totally naked, slightly overweight and assexual.They even sit down to meals with the tribespeople and the angels eat heartily alongside the living. Unfortunately, the ancestors cannot eat since they have not yet ascended to the angelic realm.

In fact the tribe has in recent years begun to resent the proliferation of both dead ancestors and angels who always seem to appear either at meal times or particularly on holy days, and have taken to cancelling such days at short notice when food was scarce. Given this type of angel it is likely that they would eat ice-cream. Your angel may be one of these. Or you may find that you are distantly related to tribal members and you have been assigned an ice-cream eating angel in error.

All the foregoing was, of course, an invention.

Some therapists invent things in order to help the subconscious understand a crucial point.

Others invent in order to make the process of hypnotherapy much more mystical with a sense of 'whoo-whoo'.

Others invent stuff because they are loopy.

You have to decide which yours is.

Jack