The *other* techniques???

[Ice_9]

Hi,

I am a newly certified NLP Practitioner and I also gained certification in TLT.
The course covered 2 ways to run through the process (including a shorter script for those accustomed to TLT), a phobia model and anxiety.

I was very happy with what I had learnt and it was astoundingly effective.

However, I read Tad talking about the number of techniques within TLT and this made me wonder - am I missing anything?
See, I would treat every client to the same process: elicit timeline and then run throuh the same pattern for anger, fear, sadness, guilt - and then any other emotions the client mentions.

Is this the right way? It worked throughout training and on friends and family. Have I got all the tools for the Practitioner level and am I worrying over nothing or should there be more to my TLT armoury?

[Robert H]

To quote the Carpenters "And we've only just begun."

There is always more to learn. A practitioner training is a great start!!

I used to study martial arts. Many people have the impression that when you reach black belt - you have made it! that black belt is the highest pinnacle in martial arts. In reality, That is when you really start learning. All the stuff up until the rank of black belt is preparatory for what comes after. I suggest thinking about practitioner in the same way.

Even taking the practitioner skills - how far can you take them? Can you do a six step reframe in 1 sentence? Can you do all the practitioner skills in all rep systems? metaphorically? Conversationally? In contexts other than therapy?

Then of course there is master prac, and trainer, and on, and on. There are about 5 or so major approaches to NLP....if you take another NLP training from a different NLP institute that has another approach it will open up a whole new world.

You have not finished a journey, you have just begun it.

Bon voyage, Good journey to you.......

Robert

[teadaze]

Thats a great post Robert, was the carpenters quote really necessary though? :-)

[Ice_9]

There is always more to learn. A practitioner training is a great start!!

You have not finished a journey, you have just begun it.

Robert

Hi Robert. Thx for the post. I know exactly what you mean! I practiced martial arts too and can fully relate to your example. I also know I have just started and that there is more to come - this is why I stated I was newly qualified and asked "have I got all the tools for the Practitioner level?"

I was worried that I was missing something I should have - at my current level.

Also, can you remind me of the order we clear out the negative emotions?
I think it is Anger, Fear, Sadness and then Guilt - though am uncertain about whether Fear and Sadness should be swapped around.

Many thanks!

[Merlin]

>Also, can you remind me of the order we clear out the negative emotions?

The order doesn't really matter.
The only possible issue is Anger and Fear.
It's not good (for you, theoretically) for someone to still be angry and have no fear.

[Ice_9]

Hi Merlin,

We were taught in a very specific way and for the reasons that certain emotions need to be cleared out before others.

By bearing these in mind, Anger is first, Guilt is last with Sadness and Fear in between (and in that order, I think).

As we were taught that way, I c aanot accept that it does not matter the order - unless a an experienced TLT'er can tell me otherwise.

[Merlin]

Ice,

I know people are taught in a certain order.

>I c aanot accept that it does not matter the order - unless a an experienced TLT'er can tell me otherwise.

And you assume my many years of Timeline experience is inadequate?
Suit yourself.

[Cassandra 8]

We were taught in a very specific way and for the reasons that certain emotions need to be cleared out before others.Hmmm. Why, while the training is clearly good, did they say that? There's no trick here. I'm just wondering why.

[Don]

Suggestive therapeutics--a name that has been used as a generic term for hypnotherapy, NLP, etc.--is usually taught in a linear fashion. Most people learn better that way.

But more important that being able to follow orders and scripts is the ability to understand the concepts of what you're doing and customize them to meet the individual needs of a client.

Scripts are absolutely wonderful! They give you all sorts of ideas and approaches. But following them word-for-word, IMO, is simply being a reader, not a hypnotherapist or Master Practitioner.

I've been in workshops where people have their clients in a deep trance but they are still reading the freakin' script! Now, when people are beginning, that isn't unusual. But after you've seen some clients, it's important, IMO, to be client-focused rather than procedure-focused.

If something works for a client use it. If it doesn't use something else. In classes it is important to teach what will theoretically reach the majority of people, but no script is ideal for everyone.

[Ice_9]

And you assume my many years of Timeline experience is inadequate?
Suit yourself.

I am unaware of anyone's experience in certan fields at this site. I only joined a few days ago. already though, like on other boards, I have read posts by people who have been inaccurate (judging by the plethora of responses to the contrary).

I am unwilling to accept "guessing" advice - hence my call for an experienced TLT'er. If that person is you, then great, I am happy to learn. I just won't take a chance on advice from people who aren't accurate. As I don't yet know who they are, I come out with statments like the one you objected to.

[Makani]

I was trained by Tad James to release negative emotions in this order: Anger, Sadness, Fear and Guilt.

One of the reasons given is that Anger is an upper in regards to neurochemicals in the body. Once released the gestalt drops down usually into sadness for most, a downer. Fear is an upper and Guilt a downer. Thus they are released in pairs. (Anger first as you really wouldn't want to hype up a client's long repressed anger in your office particularly, would you?)

I trust Tad's long experience, so I always do it that way. Not that I can't, and often do, think for myself, but I didn't write the book he did. And there are reasons why he asks for retraining every two years.

Respectfully,

Makani
Trainer of TLT and member of TLT Association.

[Nigel H]

You may have all you need on this by now and Makani covers the negative emotions well.

I was taught Anger, Sadness, Fear, Hurt, Guilt and then any other negative emotions that may have come out of the Detailed Personal history part of a full Breakthrough Session. They are done in that sequence since clearing one may uncover the next one, which was being hidden by the one before it. Such as Anger masking any sadness that they may otherwise be feeling.

You can also use TLT for Anxiety where required, which you did not mention above. This is a slightly different process to negative emotions from the past, since it would usually relate to anxiety of a future event. This said, it has been known for people to have an Anxiety gestalt, due to many past anxious experiences that they carry with them.

After clearing the negative emotions you would work with Limiting Decisions (beliefs). When combining the range of TLT with NLP and even Hypnosis too, you should be able to handle almost any issue a client may bring to you, if they are willing to take ownership and give of themselves to allow you to get the cause(s) with them.

I wish you all the best in any further training you decide to do. It is well worth it.

Cheers

Nig

[Poodle]

Do you suppose that's why my used to usual 1 - 1-1/2 hr sessions now expand into almost three hours???? I know for sure it isn't the induction. I don't talk any slower.

[Don]

I don't know.

I found some of my work expanding and eventually figured out that I wasn't trusting that clients would "get it" and was being "too complete."