Dr John Kappas Suggesterbility types

[Bill]

Has anyone out there studdied the work of the late John Kappas who proposes two main suggesterbility types emmotional and physical. According to Dr Kappas Emmotional types respond to infered suggestion and physical types respond to direct suggestion.Each of us are infact a mixture but have a domminance of one trait. I would like to hear from anyone who has used or explored such methods.

[Merlin]

Another perspective to suggestability:
Suggestability is actually the ability to learn.
We all have that skill.
Some of us learn better by seeing. Some of us by hearing, and some by doing.
Once you understand how the individual learns, teaching them, or suggesting something to them becomes easier.
It's not a matter of direct, but rather presenting in the subject's preferred modalities.

[Bill]

Thanks Merlin and I'm also well aware of the methods of learning you mentioned. However I am specifically interested in conversing with anyone on this forum in relating to my inital posting who has applied the Kappas Modality of Hypnotism. Who are versed in the suggesterbility types.
I agree Merlin that suggesterbility can assist learning. However I would not confine it to just a modality of learning.
Bieng suggesterble can mean a person is influenced by their enviroment in a positive or negetive way. The validility of the responses to such suggestions nesesarily equate to learning.
They may be learning within the realms of their own perception of the world.
When a subject is displaying suggesterbility to a stage hypnotist and responding to a the taste of a hallucinated lemon are they learning or hallucinating.
( I dont deny the value of hallucinating as learnin acsesory.

Best Bill

[Merlin]

I very strongly disagree.
But since you want to limit your discussion to the one issue, I will respect your wishes.

Take care :)

[Terry]

This is the man who, allowed, or promoted the idea that he has fathered the only "Nationally Recognised Institute" in North America.....Since such doesn't exist, it would seem that any other comments by him might also be suspect eh?
I suggest you contact those who are interested in Kappas and not in hypnosis..

[EC]

Hi Terry,

Actually Kappas landed accreditation with the DETC, which is the distance education equivalent of regional accreditation in the U.S. To my knowledge he is the only hypnosis school past or present to accomplish this. Most regionally accredited universities will accept transfer credit from DETC schools.



Hi Bill,

The Kappas model of emotional and physical (logical) suggestibility has its value in my opinion, but not as far as using that knowledge to build rapport or to deliver suggestion. Both of those can be accomplished easily without testing and questionnaires.



The value in my opinion is recognizing/identifying those that interact to the world from primarily an emotional basis, as these are the individuals that absorb most all negativity there are subjected to. The Kappas idea is to move them to a more logical (physical) interaction with the world. Completing therapy on a particular problem with such an individual without helping them to interact to the world from a more logical perspective is more akin to putting out fires than really helping them long term. These are the addictive compulsive personalities that suffer from continual anxiety, stress and tension resulting in a weakened immune system.



The Kappas model offers a tid-bit of valuable information as many others do.



Is there something particular that you wish to know about Kappas?



EC

[Bill]

Thank you for your response. I read Dr Kappas Manual which I found very different from typical hypnosis material.
I think he has made an outstanding contribution to the field and I have an increased awareness of the types he proposes.
My perpose for the postin was really just to ask other hypnotherapists if they had experience with Kappas approaches and how it had improved their work.

My purpose for discussion is for advancement of hypnosis and collaberation of knowlegde with and experience as It is a diverse field we are in.

Best Bill

[Christy]

Dear Bill: I'm now in my 7th month of the 1 year program at Hypnosis Motivation Institute, the L.A. area school founded by John Kappas. I'd be happy to give you any infomation you need about Kappas' theories regarding emotional and physical suggestibility and sexuality.

[bill]

Hi Christy thank you for your kind offer to provide information. My purpose for my inital posting was intended to elicit actual experience of the Kappas Model of suggesterbility types.

The Kappas way has found its way into my box of tricks.

I would like to hear of your experience of real life applications Christie.

[skip]

Bill,

Would you consider writing out a short synopsis of the "Kappas Way", and explain how it has enhanced your practice? I for one would be keenly interested in your observations.

If someone wanted to know more about Kappas, what book, web site, etc, would you suggest?

[EC]

Hi Skip,

If you don't mind my butting in here,

Kappas passed away a year or so ago and his website has been re-vamped. Here it is;

http://hypnosismotivation.com/

His site has several books and videos for sale but the one that describes his theories and includes his test for suggestibility type is the "professional Hypnotism Manual", at the following link;

http://hypnosismotivation.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=16138&cat=245&page=1

If you decide that you should edit these links out of this posting, I understand the advertising issue. I have nothing to do with Kappas, just knew him.

If memory serves me correctly he came on the scene in the 60's. He developed test to determine whether an individual was physically suggestible or emotionally suggestible. He also determined that this may not hold true for sexual response, ie; An emotionally suggestible individual may respond as a physical suggestible in the area of sexual issues. He developed test for basic suggestibility as well as sexual suggestibility to cover both of these area's.

His belief was that a therapist should determine the suggestibility of a client to build rapport (looking a little like NLP isn't it) and to enhance the communication ability and to formulate proper suggestions.

The real usefulness for determining the suggestibility type is in relationship counseling,ie; understanding how each other thinks and responds,therefore giving the couple a basic understanding of the other to work from. The same issues apply to the sexual suggestibility type of an individual. As an example, "post sex", a physically suggestible individual may be content to jump out of the sack, grab a sandwich and watch a movie. The emotionally suggestible partner is offended, hurt etc because they wanted to snuggle.

If this is beginning to sound a little like "men are from mars, women are from venus", it is the same thing. Emotionally suggestible individuals spend most of their time being hurt, angry etc, and most physically suggestible individuals can't figure out why they don't just "get over it". You know, mountains out of molehills, and why there are so many ex-wives and husbands.

As a general rule, more women of course are emotionally suggestible, Hi Annie, and some men, Hi Joe, and most men are physically suggestible (logically based), Hi EC, Hi Skip, and some women, Hi Merlin and then some seem to have a pretty good balance between the two, Hi Don, which is the best place to be. Kappas used visualizations etc, to move individuals more to the center balance, and with hypnosis/NLP this is certainly not difficult.

Disclaimer: I cannot possibly know of what I speak about anyone on the forum, as you would all be quick to tell me. I simply made these observations from reading postings and nothin I write is intended to offend, and, being physically or emotionally suggestible is not all bad unless you are "to far off center" which would place you on the one hand, in the big boor area, and on the other hand might put you on the tragically lost, can't make a decision area. But again, please don't be offended, I simply made an observation based on postings.

Psychology/mental health looked hard at the Kappas model of thinking to determine whether he had developed a new modality, or had discovered something useful about human nature. Psychology determined it had no value and discarded it, psychology was wrong again. Kappas's idea of understanding and changing the way an individual perceive's and respond's to the world is important. As I said earlier in this thread, helping an individual that is emotionally based, overcome a problem is pretty much a waste of time. They will be back next week with a new one. At the same time, helping that individual to move from a primarily emotional basis, to a little more logical will help them tremendously. Kinda reminds me of "giving a man a fish so he can eat for a day, or, teaching him to fish so he can eat for life".

I did not learn this from Kappas, but learned the hard way. I simply recognize that Kappas is right.

Ps: Merlin; Even though I am accused of being "intuitive", I can't quite get a good grip on your writings. You may well be the most emotional gal on the forum, or may share that balance we would all benefit from. Maybe it's just them eyes that get my "physical" feeling going !

Hope this helps Skip,

EC

[skip]

Thanks EC,

I did check into it and ordered his Professional Hypnotism manual, as it seemed to include the suggestibility types, and the sexuality types, you mentioned.

Soon as I devour it I'll return to this topic.

thanks,

skip

[EC]

Will look forward to it !

EC

[Unregistered]

i went to hmi to look into what they offered.i personally found it to be a hard sell in sheeps clothing.they try to lead you to their point of view.this first part of the interview seemed to be a overwhelming of your conscious resources leading to confusion and enhancing suggestability.when i expressed a differing point of view my interviewer broke rapport. typical car salesman stuff. then it was off to a little room to take a 180 question personality test which was suggested i complete in 15 minutes. i finshed and waited in the hall while my interviewer was on the phone and heard the same basic overwhelm of resources by a diffrent interviewer to a perspective student in the next room. this interviewer(female) spoke rapidly for 2-3 minutes straight.did i mention at the orientation seminar the guest graduates said we should look at every person we know as a potential client? after my interviewer was off the phone i was off to financial aid to see if i qualified for a student loan.
watch out for this place. let the buyer beware

[Zanther]

I very strongly disagree.
But since you want to limit your discussion to the one issue, I will respect your wishes.
Funny, I was going to actually respond to your orignal post with a suggestion of opening up and actually discussing the topics and questions people ask here instead of going on pedagogical segways (combination of both would be best of course).

[Dr. Frank]

Dear Bill;

Just came across your question from 4/04 concerning Dr. John Kappas. I have been lecturing nationally on "Behavior Modification" based on Dr. Kappas' approach for more than a decade with much success.

Have hundreds of testimonials from clients from coast-to-coast.

Most of the responses I read to you were nothing more than opinion and theory.

Dr. Kappas' approach works and the people I've helped with his theory is PROOF not conjecture.

Good Luck on your qquest.

[EC]

Dr. Frank, PhD

>> Dr. Kappas' approach works and the people I've helped with his theory is PROOF not conjecture.

I invite you to elaborate on the Kappas approach and why you find it to be so successful that you would lecture on it for ten years ?

EC

[Merlin]

>Have hundreds of testimonials from clients from coast-to-coast

I listen to that radio program occasionally.
(Used to be called the 'Art Bell' show :)

[Russ]

I heard Dr. Kappas is married to Florence Henderson.

Irrelevant I know but, I thought it was interesting.

Florence Henderson played Mrs.Brady on the Brady Bunch.

Florence is also a Certified Hypnotherapist herself.

[skip]

Perhaps this explains why all the Brady's problems were solved in about 1/2 hour.

[Russ]

>Perhaps this explains why all the Brady's problems were solved in about 1/2 hour.

She really needed to apply those skills to Jan.

Jan was a psychotic killer in the making.

[Newcomer]

Actually, I read in her bio on the IMDB that she is a licensed hypnotherapist, and I was wondering if there were any differences between a licensed hypnotherapist and a certified hypnotherapist. I tried some of the search engines with my query, but didn't get any answers.

[Tom]

Both Bill and EC have the mental apptitude to not only seek but understand Dr. John Kappas.
If you wish, "I" studied under Dr. John Kappas, along with his son, in their institute in the San Fernando Valley, California, for nearly 2 years - 1989 to 1991 when I started the internship program.

I can attest that firstly, it's not "car sales" pitches. It "sounded" as if it was when I was initially learning. However, the proof is in the pudding. I learned and was eventually certified in handwriting analysis while at the institute for the same reason someone else wrote - in order to better understand your client when you are a working hypnotherapist so that you can know how best to counsel that person.

There is a tremendous amount of information that I would be happy to share, and yes, I retained even my original books from classes there. So, Bill, EC, if you wish to gain further knowledge or confirmation, please contact me through GarrisonBodyHealthNutrition.com. Suffice it to say that both the theories of Dr. Kappas work as he suggests, his depiction of the 2 basic personality types "truly" exists, and Florence is a very nice person who often came to the institute!

[Hypnoc]

Dear Mr. Bill, I will try to answer you only from my personal experience and I am thankful to the late Dr. John Kappa's, since I never had the chance to meet him in person but his teaching technic helped me and will remain with me for the rest of my life as well His Son George Kappa's the director of HIM. M. A., M.FT, and many other best teachers and students of Dr. John Kappa's.
I am using and exploring the E&P Methods and from my personal experience The E & P helped me to ditermine my clients individual behavior that was developed during the time when he was cared for Usually by the secondary caregiver. in this case it is Emotional and Physical Sexuality or a combination of the two.
Now you may ask what is Emotional Sexual and what is Physical Sexual? Well that is when the client puts his feelings hidden and away from their physical body and the way it is recognized, for example if you see male or female dressed classic with less jewelry you can figure out this person he/she can be Emotional Sexual or even shy or quite in a crowd ...in most cases, their priority in life goes by this order Career,Hobbies,Relationship, Family, and the last will be friendship or mistress.
Now this people in Hypnosis will not receive result when talked to them direct, Must use different language in order for the hypnotherapy to be effective.
Now the with Physical Sexual this people they show their sexuality completely the opposite from the Emotional Sexual by responding outwardly, In fact the physical uses his body to draw attention away from their true emotional feelings, for example if you see male or female dressed to show their body and jewelry you will know that he/she can be physical Sexual or even loud in a crowd ...and this people priorities goes in this order, Relationship, Children, friends, hobbies then career.
and this people in Hypnosis will receive the best result when talked to them directly in the hypnotic language in order for the hypnotherapy to be effective.
Sincerely Doreen C. Cohanim C.Ht

[Rob Bashaw]

Is the spelling: suggesterbility with an "e" instead of an "a" intentional? If it isn't then you may consider doing a spell check as it is really distracting from your views and limiting your credibility. If you are too important to do a spell check then I am too important to read your thread.

[Hypnoc]

Mr. Rob Bashaw!
If My spelling is an issue for you, take a deep calming soothing breath...
thanks for the suggestion to take a spelling check, will do.
I am sorry that my spelling is so distracting and for you yes, it will limit my credibility, because you are an EMO.. an analytical person with an Ego, so For you I may not be important but for others I am very important even If I missed doing spell check.

Have a wonderful 2006... and let loose, It wont hurt you after all... Wink

[Don]

Hi, Hypnoc.

On one level you are quite correct. People will make typos and rather than getting on their case, it might be better if we just dealt with it. Personally, I rarely mention it unless someone is trying to say how wonderfully intelligent they are in an attempt to put others down.

That being said, if someone walks up to you and he smells, has bad breath, obviously doesn't take care of himself, etc., before he says anything it's quite likely that most people are not going to think highly of him. Like it or not, the initial way we present ourselves influences the way others think of us and the way they react to us.

Well, when we make posts, people obviously can't see us or smell us (in some cases that's a good thing!). Therefore, the only way we can make an impression on others is with our spelling and grammar.

So like it or not, people are going to come to conclusions about you based on your use of English. If your use of English is not reasonable, people will assume that you are young, have a bad education, or are not very bright. Some people aren't good with English because it's their second language, and you'll often see them apologize for that. Personally, I admire anyone who can communicate to any degree in more than one language.

Well, the bottom line is this. Write well and people will think you're bright. Write poorly and people will think your a dim bulb. Whether you think that's good or bad is up to you, but it's the reality.

[Terry (existing)]

Hypnoc, I had to smile when I noted that Rob had also misspelled the same word he objected to in your post. That aside, some of us don't have spell check available to our emails, and must take time to read and reread to ensure that our offering is the best we can give. It is well that all reading this recognise that the way we present a post is the same as the care we take to dress properly for a given occassion. It shows respect if you are cleaned up and well presented. It is imptoprt to present less than your best when communicating with persons you respect, and they will read this into your post intended or not.....I have read this post about three times, and each time found typos, or spelling errors, and also, for my sins, the same word used twice in one sentance, something I was taught never to do. (G)..........

[Don]

Terry, don't you know that a prepositional phrase such as "to do," as well as a preposition, is something you should never end a sentence with?
:)

[skip]

When I was much younger I dated a woman who was a PHD in English from Oxford.

She was great, and once we went to Boston for a romantic get away.

When we arrived at Logan airport, she turned to me and asked, "When in Boston what does one do?"

I of course was thinking, "Boston = fish" so I said, "Well one gets a Boston scrod."

Her response was perfect, "I didnt know that English had a past preferfect participal."

[Simple Guy]

I know of at least one very competent trainer/hypnotherapist who
reports routinely using Kappas' Suggestibility Questionnaire (to
measure the degree of direct suggestibility in clients) and Score
Sheet (a grid-like thing). I'm not at all inclined to use it, but would be
interested in knowing if others here have, and if so, to what useful
effect?

[Poodle]

What if you gave a client a suggestibility test and they failed. Who would take the blame for that? Any suggestability test has to be so "covert" that the client CANNOT fail it or you end up with a client's mind going: Well, this certainly isn't working. I'm outta here. I know of only one exception to this and that is in the Dave Elman Induction but the word PRETEND is used and the main purpose of that induction is for anesthesia. Everyone is hypnotizable and the skill lies with the hypnotist, not the client. Signs of trance are easily recognized by any skilled hypnotist without asking questions or requesting the client to do something. Maybe you should read a cute little book called "Trance-Formations" by Richard Bandler. He sure learned a lot from Dr. Erickson. Pood

[pmdigi]

i think the Kappas suggestibility tests assume everyone to be suggestible - they just test for degrees of what they call "physical" suggestibility and
"emotional" suggestibility. it's not anything one can pass or fail. according to the theory everyone is a combination of the two and the higher percentage determines whether one is so-called "physically" suggestible or "emotionally" suggestible (recognizing everyone is a combination of the two). the "physical" suggestible subject responds best to "literal" suggestions and the "emotional" suggestible subject responds best to "metaphorical" suggestions. Supposedly Kappas added to the theory of hypnotherapy in that at first he was using literal suggestions and found that many clients weren't really responding. with the theory of emotional suggestibility and metaphoric suggestions he found he and his clients had more success.

[Poodle]

You will find that and more in Trance-Formations by Bandler. If a person knows NLP then we know from our client's language without the tests. They just tell us. Having a full toolbox is fun! It's also rewritten in Training Trances I believe. Pood

[Simple Guy]

Poodle,

The Kappas test, questions, and scoring grid that I have and that
I was referring to is not a test of "suggestibility" or hypnotizability,
as the name, literally, might lead one to believe. It is a test that
allegedly measures the level to which an individual is responsive
to direct or indirect suggestions in a therapeutic context. Those
using it, theoretically, would adapt their methodology to the
individual's score. The client, in responding to the written questions,
would have no idea as to what is being tested for and it is not a pass/
failure test of hypnotizability.

[Poodle]

I know a very prominent trainer that believes in suggestibility tests. That does not mean I have to tho. Pood

[Simple Guy]

I know a very prominent trainer that believes in suggestibility tests. That does not mean I have to tho. Pood

Poodle,

I've no reason to use this test, either. I believe, though, that it
works for this particular person, for reasons other than what he or she believes them to be.

[Mark]

I'm new at hypnosis. I just finished the basic course at HMI (long distance over internet). Found them to be very helpful and supportive. I thought the Kappas theory was simple, useful, and easy to grasp. An easy model to explain to clients, and help them understand communication styles in relationships. Before I start advanced training, I'd like to learn more about NLP first. I have not determined how best to start that yet. I also see several different schools, styles Bandler, Banyan (anyone know anything about 5-path?). I want to shop around, and listen to others, before I travel somewhere to learn. Any advice?

[Poodle]

You want NLP? You don't have much farther to look than the owner of this web-board, his father Tad James, Skip, Bandler or Grinder, Diltz, or Carmine Baffa just to name a few. Michael Bennett of Bennett/Stellar is a great NLP Trainer and endorsed by Bandler. Almost everyone here knows I'm in the Bandler camp but if I had it to do all over again and I just might I'd sure like Skip as he is one of the finest examples of living, breathing NLP I've ever seen. You can also check Bandler's site at wwwpurenlp.com for a list of "his" trainers. Check around and find out what's right for you.

Are you sure Cal Banyon is teaching NLP? Last I heard it was strictly 5 or 7-PATH which is hypnosis. You also may find that you'd really enjoy a real hypnosis training with real live people to practice your skills on.

[mokopny]

AKA Mark. I know Banyan is the 5 path guy. So far I have just studied basic hynosis, and I am wondering who to see for advance training in hypnosis. The Kappas school was helpful, but seems a little out of the mainstream. I don't know enough about NLP yet to know if I would be better of down that avenue. I'm just getting my feet wet and looking for ideas before I accidently (if there is such a thing) get too far down one path. The 5 path idea sounds interesting. Mark

[Merlin]

What is your desired outcome?
What do you wish to occomplish with these tools?