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solaris152000
04-28-2004, 12:41 PM
Does anyone know of a web-site where I can download free recordings of hypnosis, read out.

And also is hypnosis dangerous? I know you can't be forced to do something against your will, but are there any other dangers?

Don
04-28-2004, 01:45 PM
Does anyone know of a web-site where I can download free recordings of hypnosis, read out.

And also is hypnosis dangerous? I know you can't be forced to do something against your will, but are there any other dangers?


Hi, Solaris.

I have to admit that I'm confused by your post. You're asking for people reading out hypnosis scripts, implying that you want to be hypnotized, but then ask if there are dangers with hypnosis. To me, this is contradictory, sort of like asking if someone will throw you into the center of a pool and by the way, will anything bad happen to you if you don't know how to swim?

In answer to your first question, there are several places on the internet with MP3s or other recordings of hypnosis scripts. But hypnosis is a common state and, by itself, really can't do much for you. Rather, it is what takes place after a person goes into hypnosis that is important.

So let me ask you this: What do you really want? Are you just looking for information about hypnosis? Are you looking to be hypnotized yourself? For what purpose? Are you looking to become a hypnotist yourself?

There are many people here who will be more than happy to answer your questions, people who will encourage you to achieve your goals. So please tell us what you really want to know. What do you really want?

In answer to your second question, if someone hypnotizes you (or if you hypnotize yourself) to remove pain (easy to do), it could be dangerous. Pain is a symptom of something, and if you treat the symptom without treating the cause it could be very bad. Do not treat pain without a doctor's referral.

Annie
04-28-2004, 10:45 PM
Hi Solaris,

You asked : " is hypnosis dangerous? "

depends, on multiple variables ...

Supposing you have, what you assume is "a big problem", that no matter how hard you've tried, you haven't been able to come up with a solution you think is Good. And say that you have a friend who has studied "hypnosis", who says to you " Hey, no problem, I know just what to do". So, a week later, you sit down and this friend takes plenty of time to get you all nice and relaxed, in oh like maybe 20 minutes. And somewhere along the line, with your mind drifting to & fro, you hear soothing recorded sounds at the same time you hear your friend's voice as he/she tells you the story written just for your problem, and you feel really nice. And then, you hear some more counting, as you did at the beginning - and there you find yourself being told "see, how easy that was, and is ... all taken care of ". And you say: "Great !, thanks :) "

Now, maybe that's the end of it; or maybe that is but the beginning of attendant undesirable risks and side-effects. Do you really want to discover such in the aftermath ?


Alternatively, you can present an interesting challenge or perhaps have a goal ... some specific skill you are excited about learning, and really - and I mean *in reality really want*. And say you encounter a person who says, " Kewl, I can show you how you can learn that, very easily & quickly ". And sure enough, before you know it, you are sporting a phenomenal skill.

Now, maybe there are risks associated with this as well. What could they be ? - oh, things like :
You may develop a more updated positive attitude.
You may feel really wonderful about yourself.
You may enjoy a new level of attention from others.
You may be envied by your friends.
You may begin enjoying life unlike you hadn't thought possible before
You may have a more enduring sense of fun ...
oh yeah, and you know the best part, yet : you can have all this *without hypnosis*; for Real ! :D

question is : What would you like to learn how to be able to do, that will impress other people, making you really happy at the same time ? :)


Annie

solaris152000
04-29-2004, 09:02 AM
I have studdied hypnosis lightly for about a year ie: read a few books done a few email courses that sort of thing, bering in mind im only 14. but I hope to study hypnosis at a higher education ie:university.

I am searching for more knowledge, and some examples without having to pay to see a hypnotist.

I would like to learn how to impress people, but I want to help people with it when I try and make a career out of it.

Thanks
Solaris

Don
04-29-2004, 11:01 AM
I know of only one university in the world, American Pacific University, which teaches hypnosis at a univerity level, and because they teach hypnotherapy, no accrediting organization will recognize them. However, they are NOT a diploma mill. You need to have a bachelor's degree before you can study with them to get a doctorate.

Recently, a journal on hypnosis denounced advanced degrees in hypnosis because they are from unaccredited schools. Personally, I prefer your attitude of searching for knowledge. The goal shouldn't be to get a degree, the goal should be to get the knowledge. On the other hand, I would stand with them and denounce the diploma mills where you pay a fee and get a degree. Recently I was asked about a particular school offering a doctorate and when I checked them out I found out that you had to take five brief classes with them and then pay $1000 to get the degree. I would consider this to be a diploma mill and I am against them.

If you name the books you've read, many people here will be able to suggest others. Many of them will be available at libraries or inexpensively through used book stores.

Impressing people is more than being able to hypnotize. Impressing people comes from the way you talk, the way you carry yourself, your knowledge of various subjects, your honesty, and even the way you smile. To learn more about this I highly recommend the book Instant Rapport by Brooks.

Now, the bad news. If you use your ability to hypnotize people as a means to impress, the result may not be what you want. Instead of impressing people you can end up being a "party freak" who can do some weird stuff. The truth is, impressing people does not result from what you do--it comes from who you are and what people think you are.

Good luck!

solaris152000
04-29-2004, 01:44 PM
Yes, when I hypnotize my freinds I try to put in posative messages. They are always asking me to hypnotise them in class. I always say no though, because I don't belive it is the right enviroment. There are too many distractions and interuptions.

Annie
04-29-2004, 08:52 PM
Hi Solaris,

Well, being able to gain knowledge, and keep on learning, and broadening your horizons with greater happy choices helping both yourself as well as others in beneficial positive ways ... is what you are Excellent at ! One thing that will really help you : keeping your mind *Open*. Now sure you already know that right, or

do you ? Most people who insist their mind being open, are continuously creating all sorts of unnecessary limits for themselves because of certain beliefs they've been imprinted/brainwashed with, and they continue buying into.

Beyond certain limits you will continue learning such as staying safely within Natural laws of physics & chemistry, as well as heeding a multitude of Social laws -- lies your *own internal unlimited territory* quietly waiting for you to discover, and bring into outward reality. And especially if you're a " typical-schooled "-student, you may well be even more amazed at what you are capable of there :D

You said you want to gain knowledge without a hypnotist. Hey, kewl - for Learning, no one needs a hypnotist anyway. All you need to be able to do is be really really good at playing, pretending & imagining - and glory be, *every* child is a natural-born Genius expert at that, right :)


And then you said : " I would like to learn how to impress people, but I want to help people with it when I try and make a career out of it. "

Way kewl, again - you've got the Right attitude ! saying " I want to help people " ... so, how about :
1. you Teach your other teenage class-mate friends to read over 10,000 words each minute; you know, like all of your text-books for the year, in a single day - leaving the rest of your precious time for more constructive fun ... like volunteering your time to any one of 1000's community Volunteer service projects, for example. See, this way your gifted talent just keeps on giving ..., with no end in sight !
(see,
my daughter graduated from College with honors, at the age of 17; and she would have done so at age 11 thru the John Hopkins accelerated program - but in my humble opinion, a child at that age belongs in an " adult university " *not*, so she had FUN helping other kids learn what she knew )
and/or -
2. you Teach your other teenage class-mate friends to succeed in just about any, say Olympic-type, sports they may choose

of course, that's just for Starters ... I'm sure you can think of other skills to teach, right ? ;)


Annie

solaris152000
04-30-2004, 01:01 AM
Does that mean I can hypnotise people into reading 10,000words per minute.
Or was that a joke. Becuase I only read at 784 :(

Annie
04-30-2004, 09:02 AM
Good morning, Solaris -

You ask : " Does that mean I can hypnotise people into reading 10,000 words per minute. "

Well, (and yes, I know : this *is* a " Hypnosis-group we're sharing in) , but really, are you ready to make another wonderful discovery, or 3 or 5 :
My best friend Partner and I operate our own school in which we teach people how to do stuff like this, and more ..., And we don't use hypnosis.

We simply teach people to use their already phenomenal minds in new and wondrous ways that, for instance, " traditional Public education " has succeeded in brainwashing outa you, thus leaving your poor starving mind to crawl along reading " one word at a time " just like you did when you 1st. learned to read. But, why on earth, would you want to keep doing that; when you can read 2 pages per second ?, or better yet * an Entire book all at one glance * ! :D

and then you added : " Or was that a joke. Becuase I only read at 784 :( "

Well, I assure you that none of what I post here, is intended to fool you, unless I say, specifically " Hey, I mean that as a joke - ok ". Then, you'll know it's a joke.

So, the well understood facts of Basic - reading are : 1st., ya gotta recognize these leetle, itty-bitty squiggles on a background are called " letters ", right ? Letters that, when combined with other letters, make-up "words", right ? Words that, when combined with other words, make up "phrases, or sentences", carrying, or holding, "meaning" ... to a specific group of humans, and/or animals, and whoever :) - as 1 part in this process called Communication. So, this is the process that " traditional Public education " follows in teaching kids how to read; and hey - there's nothing wrong with " Basics ". I mean, we require that our students have been able to master these Basics, but geeze Louis - why STOP there !
when
our mind actually deciphers information better when the information is presented quickly and in large quantity.

Consider it this way :
Have you ever looked at a tree ? Sure you have. But could you imagine examining the tree leaf-by-leaf completely, before you could identify it as a tree ? Could you imagine looking at a building brick-by-brick. That's how most people continue reading though : One letter at a time, or at best one word at a time; and that's the process by which you got to be marooned stuck reading your 784 words per minute .

so, Solaris - are you ready to learn this New game, yet ? ;)

Have FUN !


Annie

dax
04-30-2004, 10:40 AM
I know of only one university in the world, American Pacific University, which teaches hypnosis at a univerity level
Don, for your future knowledge, there is also a university in London that teach hypnosis. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/hypnosis/


Regards,
Dax

Don
04-30-2004, 10:40 AM
Many years ago I took one of the first courses ever offered in speed reading, the Evelyn Wood Reading Dynamics course. It featured lots of exercises to help people achieve amazing goals and reading speeds. My best rate was about 10,000 wpm reading a simple novel. (It was a "Hardy Boys" mystery, a "juvenile" book--but I was only a juvenile when I took the course!)

If you are regularly reading at 784 words per minute you are reading at a rate that is three times that of he average reader, so i would respectfully disagree with Annie in that it is hardly "marooned" when you are doing better than the vast majority of people in the world.

One thing I would add is that when you get into the seeming stratospheric numbers of wpm rates, the experience of reading changes. Information seems to be absorbed rather than taken in. Puns and clever usage of grammar, metaphor, and meaning--for me--vanished, although if you asked me about the information later, I could give you what was included.

I guess a good way of putting it might be that reading letter-by-letter (actually, research shows that we learn to read that way and later read by word shapes, which is why using odd fonts make reading difficult) requires one "head space" while speed reading requires another, one which few people ever learn to develop.

As Annie described, none of this required any hypnosis. The training I went through required just a bit of training and practice.

solaris152000
04-30-2004, 11:01 AM
Yes, I downloaded a program called rocket reader( it was only a 14 day trial) and that program doubled my reading speed. It taught me to read 3 words at a time instead of one letter.

And Annie I am ready. It just seem's impossible to read that fast! Yet Now that you have explained it though I feel intrigued.

Annie
04-30-2004, 11:32 AM
Don, for your future knowledge, there is also a university in London that teach hypnosis. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/hypnosis/
Regards,
Dax

Also, " St. John's university " in the USA at : http://www.sjuonline.com/spir_heal.htm offers Bachelors, Masters, and Ph.D.- degrees in Hypnotherapy, too - for those people interested in starting up a treasured collection of such pieces of papers.


Annie

Annie
04-30-2004, 04:53 PM
Hello Solaris, and Don -

Don you mentioned the ' Evelyn Wood Reading Dynamics' course ".

Our method is nothing like " Speed reading ".

And yes, I agree with Don, that for you, Solaris, to be reading at 784 wpm is actually pretty darn good :), considering that amongst the General population, the average reading speeds are generally from 50 - 200 words per minute.

When I said, " marooned stuck " - what I meant is how unfortunate it is that after having learned to read at the above speeds generally by age 9 or so, that for the next 9 years of Public-school plus x-number years of college, plus for the rest of most people's lives they continue reading at 50 - 200 words per minute; altho the way I wrote it, this prolly got lost.

And I purposely quoted the " 10,000 words per minute ", as in our school that is a Good starting point for students. Tho with practice, they will increase to easily 5 - 7 times that speed; with more possible beyond that.

I hope this explains better what we mean.


Annie

Annie
04-30-2004, 05:15 PM
Hi Solaris -

You said : " And Annie I am ready. It just seems impossible to read that fast ! Yet Now that you have explained it, I feel intrigued. "

ok, I need to somehow scale-back in sharing here, (something that btw I am a bit "challenged" in) as by nature, I am a positively passionate and enthusiastic, and encouraging - especially when it comes to helping others - kind of person).
Yet,
Matt James has, generously, provided this Board for our " discussions, only "; tho
how I wrote it could be easily mis-construed as (argh !) "advertisement" - which would be wrong & unethical : neither of which I want to take part in.


Annie

advantageanesthesia
05-03-2004, 07:19 PM
The link show 'spiritual healing " but not a degree in hypnotherapy.........did I miss something?

Victoria Wasserman CRNA APRN CCHT

Annie
05-03-2004, 10:01 PM
Hi Victoria,

Years ago, their Degree catalog I requested thru the mail, did in fact have those 3 degrees in " Hypnotherapy " in it; so yes, at least at that time, St. John's university offered them. -

and as well, I am always Glad meeting another nurse, beneficially advancing his/her mind. How thoroughly wonderful it feels, YES ! *making a positive difference in other people's lives* :D

Having been a nurse for 30 years myself, we could swap stories, you & I : of that I am sure ! ... working in " Home Health " from 1982 - 99, I played a small but very significant part in the lives of both pre-school children on Full life-support, as well as adults diagnosed with Alzheimers. Their changes, seemingly miraculous, was such a deep Joy to me as well as these people, their families, other Staff, and many others ... and now, we have our own school !

oh, and Welcome ! :) to this group here, the interesting milling throng it is, lol


Annie

skip
05-04-2004, 09:52 AM
Annie,

While I can accept 10,000 wpm, 20,000 wpm, even 30,000 wpm; even up to 50,000 to 60,000 there comes a point where you cannot turn the pages fast enough and still 'see' the entire page. At 60,000 wpm, you are looking at approximately 1 page per second, depending on the book. That's about as fast as you can turn pages by hand.

My clients have difficulty, if they start flipping them by thumbing, because they dont get sight of the entire page(s).

You state that you are achieving 60,000 to 70,000 wpm; and beyond how have you and Steve solved the page turning problem?

PLUS how have you solved the (very real) problem of having enough material to read, when you read at these rates?

Steve
05-04-2004, 01:19 PM
Hello Skip,

You are quite right that reading beyond 60,000 wpm is a chore, especially with standard textbooks. I know you studied the 'other' reading method and you know how difficult it can be. The reading method I teach is similar. I just use what (IMHO) is a better trance state.
Anyway, I provide special reading material which I have custom printed for the training. The text is printed on 11x17 paper, making a larger page and I use 3 point type. 3 point is quite easy for the subconscious to read. I'm considering going to 2 point. My students are also impressed that they can read at 3 point. 3 point type also helps our students learn to read pages without resorting to reading individual words. Comparing 3 point to normal book type, we get several times the amount of words per page. But we advertize 10,000 wpm to be conservative.

Reading material? Have you checked out internet sources such as Project Gutenberg? They're already electronic and easy to print small.

skip
05-04-2004, 03:00 PM
Steve,

Thanks for the reply, and good to hear from you.

Yes I love Project Gutenberg and am contributing to it.

Special reading material? OK that makes sense, but it still leaves me with the delima of how to turn the pages fast enough with standard books. Books from the library and such.

And it still leaves me with going thru books so fast you run out of stuff you are interested in. Ah well, such is life. Be careful what you wish for, when you get it, there may be things you hadnt considered, eh?

Please send me your snail mail address, so I can return your CD's.

skip

sami
05-17-2004, 03:06 PM
Hi all,
Am an applied Linguistics (TESOL) specialist an I am also interested in hypnotism and its related areas.
I wonder if anyone can teach me how to start hypnotising others (and myself). As practice is the best way of quickly learning, this could be good start for me wanting to get introduced to this exciting area of knowledge.
Sami

Don
05-17-2004, 06:49 PM
Hi, Sami.

For many years, I received some makeshift training from people who thought they new what they were doing. I also read a couple of books. In all honesty, I was pretty bad at it.

Then I took a "weekend wonder" course. Different people and organizations teach weekend classes all over. Often, there is the implication that if you take these classes you can do anything. I would respectfully disagree. As in any college 101 class, you learn to work with the basics.

As long as you take the class from that basis--that you are beginning to learn how to hypnotize and want to get the basics right--these classes are wonderful and usually fairly inexpensive.

In my opinion, taking one of these classes is a great way to begin--and they're usually fun, too. From there, and with the understandings you get, you will be able to get a lot out of books and videos.

If your interest grows, I would also suggest attending one of the national conventions put on by some of the larger hypnosis organizations, such as the American Board of Hypnotherapy or the National Guild of Hypnotists.

Merlin
05-17-2004, 09:00 PM
>I wonder if anyone can teach me how to start hypnotising others (and myself).

yes.

sami
05-19-2004, 01:36 PM
Dear Don,

I am thank ful for the reply.
However, for someone living in a remote corner of the world (Oman), attending these classes is impossible.
That is why I thought of relying on others' experience and some materials I can start with.
Sami

Steve
05-19-2004, 02:29 PM
hello,

There are many books and training tapes available. I think they are good starting places. Have you considered that option?

sami
05-21-2004, 01:55 PM
Are there any titles/links you can propose?

Sami

Merlin
05-21-2004, 09:04 PM
May I butt in?

At the bottom of my FAQ page http://s91495364.onlinehome.us/FAQ.htm I list some hypnosis books and NLP books.

Chazz
11-07-2004, 09:20 AM
I am just wondering, as I'm about solaris152000 age, if there are any tips you can give me on getting my reading speed up to about 2000 wpm, for revision (for free, would be preferable), but if you can't really do that because of income loss to the buisness or whatever it'll be o.k. Some pretty basics tips would be great, nothing spectacular.
Much Appreciated.

solaris152000
11-09-2004, 09:27 AM
Dont ask for help here you get accused of cheating.

Frog420
11-09-2004, 10:11 AM
so photographic memorys are available to us all. Correct?

I do find this hard to belive, mainly because I've never met anyone who has told me they have a photographic memory, sure i might have met a few, but not even one mention? and everyone can do it, if they utalise parts of their mind otherwise unused/not used in this manner? well why isn't this widely known about? surely if such a skill was available for everyone to learn, education would become redundant, for anything we need to learn could be put into our subconcious at speeds far greater than standard teaching methods could!

and please don't delete this post on grounds it doesn't help anyone, because the answers could help me.... thanx skip ;)