Time and the unconscious

[Steve]

Hello,

I had a thought recently. So, I thought I’d share and get your ideas. It involves time. Our mind indexes time of our memories so that we can know when event happen. But does our unconscious understand the passage of time? If it does not, then our past childhood traumatic events/memories might be happening even now as far as our unconscious is concerned.
Say your mind made a decision to not see something, defocussing the eyes (myopia). The unconscious might continue throughout our lives creating myopia because as far as it is concerned the trauma is still occurring even now.

Whatcha all think?

[skip]

Hi Steve,

I waited for someone to just jump in there.

Heep big question!

"Our mind indexes time of our memories so that we can know when event happen. But does our unconscious understand the passage of time? If it does not, then our past childhood traumatic events/memories might be happening even now as far as our unconscious is concerned."

Yes the mind does index events so that we can discern the passage of time. When you say the unconscious, you are presuming a division of the mind between conscious and unconscious. I would suggest that there is no division, and even if there were, it would have to be the unconscious that recognizes "the index", otherwise the conscious would have no concept of past, present, and future, because that 'knowing' isnt a conscious activity.

I would say tho, that there are circumstances where the mind simply doesnt care about the "time index", so that you DO have effectively, exactly what you have described, just not for the reason you indicate.

"If it does not, then our past childhood traumatic events/memories might be happening even now as far as our unconscious is concerned."

I think this is effectively correct, but we dont have all our neural pathways firing all the time. So those memories arent all happening all the time, otherwise this would be evident from brain scans and eeg's. But when they do fire, they are being felt NOW, and may as well have happened now, No difference.

What I do believe is that we sublimate, deny, repress, memories, and those feelings have energy.

Let me digress for a moment, then I'll come back, putting the digression together, I hope.

Consider Einestein's E=mc2, everything is energy, and all energy is in motion if above absolute zero. Which means everything resonates at its own frequency.

And so everything we repress is resonating at some frequency. Studies at Harvard have measured the resonating frequencies, wavelengths, of emotions such as love, anger, etc.

And resonance has an unusual quality, in that if you pick up a tuning fork and set it to viabrating, it will resonate only with a tuning fork, of the same frequency. A middle C tuning fork will only resonate with another middle C, not an A, or B, or D, etc. The same is true with emotional frequencies, such as anger, love, etc. In other words love would resonate with love, anger with anger, fear with fear, etc.

And these frequencies, resonances, viabrations, whatever you want to call them operate over distance, like all wavelengths.

So are you ready for me to undigress, and put it together?

If you repress say a feeling of fear, you sublimate it, it hasn't gone away, it is still there somewhere in the mind/body, perhaps as Candice Pert describes, but more probably not. The important point, is that, it is there, and it is resonating, and resonance ocurrs over distance, so sooner or later, someone is going to show up who will resonate with that frequency in you. And guess what comes up in the way you feel, when they show up? Did you ever hear, "Whaterer you sow, that also shall you reap?" or "Live by the sword, die by the sword?" "Energy flows where attention goes?" "Be careful what you wish for ..."

Now here is the time tie in.

This person, in the present, resonates with something within you, from your past, and it results in you feeling something from your past, in the present, and you think it was caused by them! Jesus, in Aramaic, called our mind, the great deciever, which the Christian's somehow got confused with a guy in a red suit. I suspect this is more what he meant. And the veil in the temple (temple = your 'mind' in Aramaic), that must be torn, wasnt some piece of cloth, it was, again in Aramaic, the "division" between conscious and unconscious, which the high priests had learned to transcend.

It is within this context, that I believe time is irrelevent as far as the mind is concerned. Feelings are ALWAYS felt in the present, irregardless of where the original stimulus came from. AND those feelings MUST have come from our past. (Now this leaves a big open question, I cant answer, and that is where the origional feeling(s) came from. I have a suspicion, but that gets theological and still doesnt answer where the origional feelings came from, it just removes it for numerous generations.)

Now I cant difinitively answer for your myopia theory. I can speculate. All feelings are felt in the present, irregardless of where they began, and in that sense they are essentially timeless. It is my belief that if the mind felt that myopia was a successful strategy at one time, it will tend to generalize it, and use that strategy again and again, even if it isnt working so well in the other contexts. That to me is a function of poor calibration, and or the lack of judgemental effect, that is used by the so called conscious mind. But the mind IS judging, it knows it worked once, successfully, and so selects it as a strategy now, based on its judging its worth, over other possibile behaviors.

thanks,

skip

[Merlin]

>Our mind indexes time of our memories so that we can know when event happen.

Yes

>But does our unconscious understand the passage of time?

I don’t think it has understanding beyond about 5-15 minutes.

>If it does not, then our past childhood traumatic events/memories might be happening even now
as far as our unconscious is concerned.

That seems to be true.
As in we age regress, we are accessing the past as if it is now.

>Say your mind made a decision to not see something, defocussing the eyes (myopia). The
unconscious might continue throughout our lives creating myopia because as far as it is
concerned the trauma is still occurring even now.

It’s more like our minds build a web of beliefs based on that experience. The memory is there
and if accessed is in real time, but unless it is accessed, then it is the belief structure acting in the
current time.

The RtC which we argue about so often is the tool for finding the basis of the ‘belief web’ rather
than settling for one or two key beliefs.
It also lets us build a new belief web to replace the old one.

>I had a thought recently.

Only one? Must be lonely ;-)

>So, I thought I’d share and get your ideas. It involves time. Our mind indexes time of our
memories so that we can know when event happen. But does our unconscious understand the
passage of time? If it does not, then our past childhood traumatic events/memories might be
happening even now as far as our unconscious is concerned.

It seems that it is the belief web which continues.

>Say your mind made a decision to not see something, defocussing the eyes (myopia). The
unconscious might continue throughout our lives creating myopia because as far as it is
concerned the trauma is still occurring even now.

Good thought, but it’s the web of beliefs which continues real time.

[Steve]

Hello,

Skip, Merlin,

Thanks for the replies :) This is the best place I know to ask questions. Not many replies, but where else can I ask and get meaningful thoughtful replies?

[joethelayperson]

at least now Skip has come up with a term that circumvents all the debates of the past


RESONATE TO CAUSE= RTC


That way we can all agree to differ whilst using the same terminology

Skip and Merlin ......(and Steve for such a great question) excellent posts