Internal map

[Hawkes]

I've come across this idea of Internal maps for over a year now, and i've got a good grasp as to what it is. The one part i've not got a good grasp on is how to gather information on another person's internal map. I know that it involves asking questions, looking at the type of words they use most, what representational system the use the most. Plus it still confuses me as to how using these type of questions you can get an acurate idea of how another person views the word.

Any help would be appreciated. And thank you for taking the time to read this thread.

[Annie]

Hi Hawkes,

You said : I've come across this idea of Internal maps for over a year now, and i've got a good grasp as to what it is.

By " internal maps ", are you including Each of a person's " surround-sound, full-color movies " re-create-able of each of their experiences, inside - simultaneously ?
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You said : The one part i've not got a good grasp on is how to gather information on another person's internal map. I know that it involves
1. asking questions,
2. looking at the type of words they use most,
3. what representational system the use the most.

1. Yes, continually asking increasingly more questions, is an excellent Start !
and
2. this word " type " you used, has at least 9 different Dictionary definitions, in the English-language alone; so - what Exactly to *you* is the meaning :) of using this word " type " ?
and
3. Yes, people rely on both " Preferred ", as well as, " Lead "-representational ways, amongst others - in their efforts to communicate.
Have you learned how to distinguish the Difference, yet ?
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You said : Plus it still confuses me as to how using these type of questions you can get an acurate idea of how another person views the word.

to a NLP'er it's all about " Sensory Acuity, and Calibration "

Really, re " accuracy " : you would have to be a CARBON-copy of that person, experiencing their Reality * exactly AS * another person. That would be accurate.

Short of that, the Best you want to do is : facilitate in *yourself*, as well as *other* people, increasingly higher states of Being, simultaneously Benevolently FUN :D


Annie

[starfish]

Hi Hawkes

There are many ways to start understanding another persons map of their world.
The Meta Model and Meta model violations is pretty good and will give you a massive amount of information.
The skill comes in translating that information into something useful and then being able to do something useful with it.

Read "Time line and the basis of personality"
Tad James and Wyatt Woodsmall.

The question you are asking is too big to give a reply that will be of any use to you on this forum. Read the book first and then get specific.

Have a great day.

[Hawkes]

Thank you Annie and starfish for your replies, they've been helpful. Especially yours Annie, what you've said has brought back to mind some information that i had read some time back, It makes a little more sense now.

You are right starfish, this question was probably a bit too big to be answered in full on here. But i've always thought it's a good idea to ask a question about something your unsure of. Even if you don't get the full answer your looking for, you get a part of it, and that's a step in the right direction. I'll take a look for the information that you've mentioned.

[skip]

Hawks,

Internal maps?

OK I assume you recognize that what we know of reality isnt really reality. NLP's "The map isnt the territory."

Each of us has our representation of what is/has occurred, that is entirely "made up" of only 9 bits of information, representing billions of bits of information. That is merely a part of our internal map.

This internal map is also 'colored' if you will, by our beliefs and values. And is filtered by our preferred representational system in that particular context, and arrived at, thru the VAKOG strategy we use to get there.

Someone's map is composed of all these things, as they relate to each other.

Soooo all you need to do to "enter someone's model" is to elicit all these things and adopt them as if they were your own, and you will come as close as you might to experiencing the world, "reality", the way they do.


In attempting to 'enter into someone elses map' you can spend a lot of time asking questions. Questions about beliefs and values as they relate to the particular context you want to map. As Starfish mentioned the Meta model would be useful in uncovering unconscious beliefs that pertain to this.

You want to know their beliefs and values.

You want to know how they arrive at the state they arrive at. VAKOG strategy, and duplicate that sequence exactly.

You want to know as precisely as you can, what pictures they see, what sounds they hear, what they feel, etc. And you would want to have fully duplicated the submodalities of each of these.

There is more, but I think you are beginning to get the idea.

The purpose behind this is two fold. One is to be able to duplicate excellence. Get at the unconscious processes someone uses to produce excellence, duplicate it, and you can duplicate the excellence. Two is in theraputic work. Enter into their model of the world and you can determine where their map is impoverished, and then work thru their own beliefs and values to enrich their ability to have choice, and to take advantage of those choices.

Now Hawks as you might imagine, that is a pretty lengthly and time consuming process, frought with detail, and so forth.

There is fortunately a shorter way to accomplish the same result, that is actually more accurate.

Howz that for opening a loop?

skip

[Simple Guy]

"Howz that for opening a loop?," asked Skip. Excellent. Looks like people are
too shy to ask him to now close it by describing the shorter, more accurate
way. Come on people, don't make me have to ask. :rolleyes:

[starfish]

Hey Skip,

What do you mean there is a shorter way? Can you show us what it is that you have on your mind? It kinda makes sense that there is a shorter way, I am sure I heard about it once and would love to hear it again. I need to get a good grip on this.

(How was that simple guy?:D )

[Hawkes]

This should be good to read.

[skip]

Simple Guy, Starfish, and Hawks,

Just a short note to let you know that I haven't forgotten or abandoned this. I opened the loop, and now realize that it involves a pretty significant chunk of my model that I'm talking about.

So I'm trying to figure out how to do it justice, and keep it succinct at the same time.

skip

[dadjanda]

skip...

i like the way you operate...

respect

Brian