What is time line therapy?

[welshguymikey]

my freind did this thing on me and wasnt sure whether it would be calssed as hypnotherapy or time line therapy, it involved the staircase induction etc liek hypnotherapy but it was then story of my life type thing from when i was young to me in 15 years time from now.

What is teh basis of time line therapy?

[Poodle]

This is a little difficult to write as it is so all encompassing.
1. Detailed personal history of client
2. -----
3. Ask the client to envision their time line (now, past & future)
4. Client floats high above the time line (trance)
5. We get a description of the time line and change what is necessary
6. We find out first event of an emotion or limiting decision BEFORE getting client on the time line
7. Release negative emotion or limiting decision by going before it first happened
8, Repeat process until back to now
9. Test
10. Future pace
11. Return to NOW

All work done above the time line is a good state of trance. Floating down to the time line is a very light state of trance with client walking, talking, etc. It's up and down above the time line and then back on it.

Time Line Therapy can be used for relieving major illnesses to losing weight and everything in between.

Hopefully this will describe a little of how the process works. It is much more complicated than what I have written. Maybe if Dr. Matt James or Merlin are around, they might consider to add to this. Pood

[welshguymikey2]

thankyou poodle, i will look at this therapy a bit more closely in the future, sounds interesting

[Nigel H]

Hi - TLT is amazing! You will love it I am certain....

Try the website

www.timelinetherapy.com (http://www.timelinetherapy.com) or .net

which will give you some good background info.

Also read Tad James' Book
"Time Line Therapy and the Basis of Personality" - which I read before deciding to trian in it!!

NIg

[welshguymikey2]

Hi - TLT is amazing! You will love it I am certain....

Try the website

www.timelinetherapy.com (http://www.timelinetherapy.com) or .net

which will give you some good background info.

Also read Tad James' Book
"Time Line Therapy and the Basis of Personality" - which I read before deciding to trian in it!!

NIg

cheers nigel

[Merlin]

A gentleman, Tad James, was playing with travel along the timeline.
He would often experiment with frients to learn more.

One day, as he was having his friend travel forward and backward along the timeline, he discovered something.

When the person traveled to just before an event on the timeline, the emotions got lost. The emotions for that event were simply gone!

Tad explored some more and found this to be consistent and repeatable.

Time line therapy (TM) is a methodology derived from this discovery.
Today, it is a powerful tool for releasing emotions.

Poodle gives the mechanics of how-to.

[Henry123]

Time line therapy is based on past, present or future preceptions. (Mostly with past and future preceptions.)

The aplications of time line therapy is quite extensive.
If a client for example has suffer from childhood sexual abuse. One can put her/him in a state where she doesnt remember the abuse by "erasing" memories of her past.
Future time line therapy can help those are facing obstacles in their life and putting them in a (imaginative) state where they view themselves as having completed their goals and how it would Feel to them whne they get there.
Present time line therapy are good for those who are held back in life by constantly looking in the past (or the future in some cases) and putting them back into perspective and wiorking with the here and now.

[SusanBlack]

[quote=Henry123] If a client for example has suffer from childhood sexual abuse. One can put her/him in a state where she doesnt remember the abuse by "erasing" memories of her past.


Henry123,

Have you been trained in Time Line Therapy?

The statement I have quoted you writing is not true at all. The client can remember the abuse, TLT does not erase memories.

What it does do, is allow the person to get the learning from the event, in this case childhood sexual abuse. What was the learning? And, by going above and before the event happened, it allows the person to disconnect from the emotion of the event, so they can get the learning and move forward in their life.

I remember the events that have happened to me, I have preserved the learnings and feel empowered instead of a victim.

Susan

[Don]

I would like to add to what Susan wrote concerning Henry 123's comment. He wrote, "Future time line therapy can help those are facing obstacles in their life and putting them in a (imaginative) state where they view themselves as having completed their goals and how it would Feel to them whne they get there."

While that is true as far as it goes, it is not the essence of what takes place. Anybody can imagine achieving something in the future. That really doesn't do anything. With TLT, such forward pacing is just the beginning. What's important is what you do with it to provide the self-direction that results in achieving that goal when that future time becomes the present. Otherwise, it's just a daydream.

[Poodle]

Bandler does his differently. More like Susan wrote. Go before the event and place 5 new resources in your future. First a month apart, then a week apart and then a day apart and finally zip through that time line firing all 5 new resources at the same time over and over and over again. They will be yours!

[welshguymikey]

thanx guys but could you expand on what you mean by resources with examples cheers

[Nigel H]

Hia

Resources may be otherwise called 'resourceful states', so things such as confidence, joy, feelings of powerfulness, understanding - basically states of mind that are resourceful, to help you get beyond that old problem now.

If you have studied NLP, they are the sorts of states you would use in a chain anchor, or within collapse anchors. I am trained in Tad James' Time Line Therapy method and do not know the Bandler method that Poodle has mentioned, so I imagine she can enlighten you on that when she returns to the posting!

In a Breakthrough Session, I usually complete the process by having the client put a positive goal (an image thereof) in their future time-line and this could be termed a 'resource' also, since it will act as a powerful pull towards what they have set as a goal in life. Their UM will be drawn towards anything that can lead them towards having what they have set as that goal - via the reticular activating system - kind of like a radar that highlights anything of relevance to you having your desired outcome....

Nig

[Poodle]

A resource is a resource in any modality.

I too trained in Tad James' TLT, but tomorrow I'm going to give Bandler's a try just to see what happens. Can't hurt and could only help. You have got to read the book Frogs to Princes -- fascinating! Chapter IX Reprogramming Limiting Decisions - A Walk Through Time. Pood

[Henry123]

I would add that Time line therapy works best under trance states.

[SusanBlack]

I would add that Time Empowerment Techniques works best NOT in a trance state.

It is not a hypnotic induction, rather a process to release of negative emotions and limiting decisions.

I really like this forum as a discussion tool. Interesting...............

Susan

[Poodle]

I beg your pardon. If you have studied Tad James' Time Line Therapy (TM) the client is in TRANCE while above the time line. The client is out of trance when NOT above the time line. If you are studying something other than Time Line Therapy it cannot be called Time Line Therapy as those words and that process belong exclusively to Dr. Tad James and believe me he will sic his lawyers on that person really fast. That's his "baby" and he is very proud of it as well he should be. It is one very great healing modality.

[SusanBlack]

I would like additional clarification on this, because I did take my training from Advanced Neuro Dynamics, and I really do believe that Time Line Therapy is done in a "Waking State". Remember, you elicit the time line, get the root cause, go to position and notice the event, position 2 and get the learnings, position 3 higher and farther back check on the emotions, and so on......There is NO trance induction before or bringing them out of trance after TLT.

I remember Matt James also telling us that TET is done in a waking state.

I appreciate your feedback Poodle,

Susan

[SusanBlack]

Now,
I really need clarification, because I am sitting here thinking that, maybe when the person "floats" that is the trance, or is it dissociation? and when they go to position 4, it is coming out of trance or associating? Or both?

I never considered TET to be about trance states, but I am certainly OK with being confused and incorrect.

Thanks,
Susan

[Don]

As a result of my training, I would suggest that the disagreement here is simply based on definitions. When a person is going through their timeline, they are in trance, but not in any sort of classically induced hypnotic state. You're also in trance when you read a good novel, watch TV, or go to a movie.

Yes, they are in trance. Yes, they are waking. Yes, they are dissociated.

One does not prevent any of the others.

[Poodle]

Matt James is using his own version of Time Line, not his fathers'. In Tad's version the client is in a definite state of trance above and not when ON. It has nothing to do with a "formal" hypnotic induction. It is a magical process.

[skip]

Susan,

There are many times when we, in a waking state, are in trance.

For instance, I can notice my granddaughters go into a trance state, when I say, "Once upon a time ..."

Now it isnt formal hypnosis, but it is trance none the less, and can be as profound as I care to take it.

When doing time line, your client will naturally enter two powerful trance states without you formally asking them to. They will dissociate, and they will age regress.

But dont dare call it hypnosis, because those who think they can only accomplish those things in somanambulism will squawk!

Eyes open, eyes closed, its all the same to me, and you never have to say, "Watch the watch." or it's equivelent.

cheers,

skip

[Poodle]

This reminds me of a lady recently -- her eyes were totally open so I just passed her by thinking that she was NOT in trance. She was totally tranced out to the max. I had not requested that eyes be shut.

If I tell a kid that has fallen and has an owie that I have magic bandaids that will take away the owie and I put on the bandaid, that kid has just been in trance and taken my suggestion and is off frolicking again. Same with mothers (or fathers) that kiss the boo-boo to make it well.

ANYTHING THAT ASSUMES TRANCE IS TRANCE. TRANCE DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE FORMALY INDUCED.

[TaffyE]

So many people seem to think that to be in a trance state means some form of incapacity, (physically relaxed and slumped in a chair, eyes closed, can't move etc etc) which it patently does not.

[Henry123]

So many people seem to think that to be in a trance state means some form of incapacity, (physically relaxed and slumped in a chair, eyes closed, can't move etc etc) which it patently does not.

I would add that we are often in trance. The main difference is in its Degree.
(Day dreaming for example.)
I agree trance does not always mean that someone is in a cataleptic immobilized state.

[SusanBlack]

Susan,

There are many times when we, in a waking state, are in trance.

For instance, I can notice my granddaughters go into a trance state, when I say, "Once upon a time ..."

Now it isnt formal hypnosis, but it is trance none the less, and can be as profound as I care to take it.

When doing time line, your client will naturally enter two powerful trance states without you formally asking them to. They will dissociate, and they will age regress.

But dont dare call it hypnosis, because those who think they can only accomplish those things in somanambulism will squawk!

Eyes open, eyes closed, its all the same to me, and you never have to say, "Watch the watch." or it's equivelent.

cheers,

skip


Thank you Skip and Don,

For the clearing up the specifics on this trance issue. For me, I prefer the idea of dissociated/associated states, it seems more defined.

I also understand that we spend a large part of our "waking" time in trance and go in and out of trance easily.

Susan

[Don]

Hi, Susan.

We can be in trance and either associated or dissociated. Trance has nothing to do with it.

When associated, we see things through our eyes and experience things in first person.

When dissociated, we observe ourselves from a third-person perspective and can see what is taking place without experiencing the accompanying feelings, emotions, etc.

Both being associated and dissociated can occur in trance or out of trance.

[SusanBlack]

Hi, Susan.

We can be in trance and either associated or dissociated. Trance has nothing to do with it.

When associated, we see things through our eyes and experience things in first person.

When dissociated, we observe ourselves from a third-person perspective and can see what is taking place without experiencing the accompanying feelings, emotions, etc.

Both being associated and dissociated can occur in trance or out of trance.


Absolutely Don,

So, your clarification helps me to see the purpose of being dissociated above the timeline (without experiencing the feelings, emotions,etc), then associating and checking on the emotions to see if they are still there or not.

Cool~

Susan

[Don]

Exactly so!

Psychology and psychoanalysis often try to create abreactions to help people discover and deal with their buried emotions.

In TLT (and hypnosis) as I understand them, you can dissociate to discover and learn from important events in the past as well as eliminate the "psychic charge" (in a psychological sense) that often accompanies such discoveries. This can be checked by associating and reliving past (but following the initiating event) and even imagined future events. No abreaction? You're over it. Abreaction? Quickly dissociate to float over the timeline, and discover the earlier initiating event.

In theory it sounds too easy to work. In practice, it is surprising the response that results.

[Nigel H]

Hi folks - this has made an interesting read and generally has covered the points I think - and I would like to add the fact that TLT .... IS ..... a trance state whilst they are above the time line, just without a 'formal' hypnotic induction.

The key point to remember here is that 'anything that assumes trance causes trance' as I was taught in my training, so you do not need a formal induction as a pure hypnotherapist would use, for TLT work. The level of trance is (arguably) a light state, rather than deep - depending on the individual, since no formal deepening methods are used in the TLT 'script'.

I hope this helps!

Cheers

Nig

[Poodle]

I would like to point out tho when I was the "demo" subject in TLT, the trance state above was actually very deep but could well have been that I had been in trance for more than a week prior and the longer in the course the deeper the trance.

[skip]

Pood,

Yer just a trance puppy!

Any excuse will do! :0

skip

[Terry (existing)]

A facinating series I must say, but there is no mystery about TLT. Like Mr James, if one messes about with hypnosis, and in particullar regression therapy, one will discover what he did, and develop it if so inclined into a NEW form of therapy. Good for him, it brings attention to this particullar method, and allows for those who worry about the name Hypnosis to have another one to fall back on. Me I have no problem with the old name and really don't give a damn if others fear it.. "Trance" again, no great mystery, trance is just a state of mind were one thought takes over the mind completely and replaces all other thinking. Hence we get the bypassing of the critical factor, and no application is required, so we have natural trance, and we have intentional trance which is applied in order to give therapy to a client. Hope that helps, but you of course are free to disagree if you can come up with a better definition, and I will be happy to adopt same if i agree to it being better than mine:)
Always open to new ideas.

[Poodle]

Anyone that conjurs up nonexistant inductions in their dreams to induce trance is a very definite trance puppy.

Happily signed, Ms. Trance Puppy USA, Pood

[tommyvan1]

What if the subject cant conciously recall the past events. Does trance help bring them out. This sounds like amazing work. How well do the new suggestions work. This would prove valiable to someone who has had a recent event that on the out side shouldn't have caused them much pain but because it is linked to past hurts it is now devistating.

[Poodle]

If you are referring to the "anger issue", yes Time Line Therapy helps with that but but so does NLP and hypnosis; however, you are only ONE of the components of your problem, you have a wife and family. The question then becomes will changing your emotions heal your family life. Skip explained it all very well to you.

[tommyvan1]

At this point I am no longer talking about the other issues. I understand what has to happen there/ It may be that those issues may or may not be able to be solved. Some times it is better to admit failure and move on.

My question now comes as a matter of interest. Before finding this site I never knew how advanced these therapies were. It sounds as if a persons perceptions of the world can be changed by changing the way they felt about past events.

I have always been a person who could convince myself of a certain reality and work like fighting fire to achieve it and make it real.

I was just wondering if the subject does not know where a specific hurt comes from can they find out through time line therapy or others

[Poodle]

in a word with Time Line Therapy or Time Line Essence - YES!

For future reference, please note we don't believe in FAILURE, only FEEDBACK. Got it? :) The Pood