Pied Piper

[Kirbster]

Hey all, I'm doing a trial with my law 12 class, and I'm one of the lawyers. The case is of the Pied Piper, and I'm on the defence. A critical part of my case is coming up with some substantial proof that a pipe\sound can't hypnotise anybody. Does anybody know anything about this? Or can anybody help me find any informative sites? I'm not having much luck, and the trial is on Monday.. so I figured I'd ask somewhere where I could probably get some help.

Thanks! :D

[Terry]

Sorry piper, but you're out of luck. Sound does indeed have an effect on us all the time, and might at times be considered as hypnotic. Try playing a harmonica with a dog in the room, and you will get an instant reaction to the sound. Listen to the sound of the bagpipes and tell me it has no effect on you. I guarrantee it will, though not the same effect for all......Listen to relaxing music and note that you fall asleep quickly due to the effect it has....No, you can't claim that sound has no effect, because it is easily proven that it has...Sound affects all animals including the human one (G). Oh yes, the Pied Piper of Hamlin may well be a true story, so be very careful how you try to prove otherwise (EG) Terry

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Kirbster,

I assume you are defending Mr Piper, on the charge of kidnapping?

Dont fight the suggestability of music. You will just run into people who "get lost" in certain pieces of music. Moonlight Sonatta, Bolero, Unchained Melody, etc. Go with it, in fact since the prosecution has worked so hard to prove it, take advantage of their work.

Stipulate that music is highly suggestable, and that it must have worked on the rats and mice, because all agree that it did.

BUT rats and mice arent humans.

AND just as one person is captivated by one musical composition, it is obvious that there is no universal music composition capable of "deep trance phenomena" in humans.

In the 1930's Clarke Hull in "Hypnosis and Suggestability" reports an experiment where they determined that only 20% of the population was subject to deep trance phenomena.

This isnt true but it inadvertantly points out that only a specific percentage will respond to ONE technique.

Modern hypnotists recognize that each person is an individual and they tailor their approach to fit the client. ONLY in this way is EVERYONE hypnotizable to 'deep states'.

AND to kidnap children as reported would take a deep hypnotic state indeed!

So do you see where I am going?

Mr Piper, IF he had attampted to kidnap the children as accused would have only been successful with a percentage of the children, AND in addition that would have included a percentage of the adults as well. Did that actually occurr? As I understand it, the repoted facts dont square with what a hypnosis expert would testify to, had the attempt been made.

It sounds more to me like Mr Piper fulfilled his portion of a contract, and in an effort to avoid their responsibility to fulfill the contract, they have created this fictional charge, and it is their lack of expertise in hypnosis that reveals their knavish criminal intent.

have fun,

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[Kirbster]

Right on, thanks for the great replies!

[Simple Guy]

Kirbster got two nice responses to his query. I'm reminded here of a variation of this music
theme in the movie "The Music Man." It's probably 25 years since I last saw it.--As I remember it, there was a music teacher who instilled a power of belief, so strong, within his students that it was this belief, in and of itself, that "hypnotized" them into the ability to play their instruments. It's was a good use of the power of positive belief, probably one that Kirbster won't have to defend in his class.

[Terry]

Oh well, I was so concentrated on the rats, that I totally forgot the children bit (G). Even so, I must suggest that the right music will cause young children to dance, so perhaps once they started dancing, they would follow the sound that got them going (EG). I do feel obligated to defend the poor P P who carried out a contract, only the have his clients break that contract once they got what they wanted. If you continue to defend the mayor and council, I may be forced to play my own tune on the pipes and drive you to madness. It has been know that the Scotish equivalent of the pipers flute will drive some to madness, and the rest to drink.....Now considering that I love the scirl, you can imagine what sort of person I am, so beware (VEG)

[Annie]

decades ago, I volunteered as Director (actually 3 seperate groups, as I so love sharing Joyfully-inspirational music).

Actively I sought-out, and recruited, adults/children who were convinced " I can't carry a tune, I'm tone-deaf. I wish I could sing like you but I just know I'll never be able to " . Well,

here's what I shared with them : " What if you were to accept God's gifts of
1. your own *soul*, as a musician capable of guiding
2. your own *vocal-Cords & lungs* , in your expression of unabashed Joy ... as god intended . And then,
simply feel Free sharing your Joy with the world. That is how I go about it :) "

For starters, correcting none of their efforts,
I simply encouraged them to Sing, sing, sing ... *joyfully*.

Only after they had increased in confidence, did I start making suggestions here, & there ... like :
" We'll be understood better by an audience, if -
1. we *mouth, clearly* the words, and
2. we *start, & end* together-in-unison, on the same note; and
etc. & so forth.

BUT, 1st. & fore-most, I made sure they had *fun*-practicing various skills, with lotsa Demonstration-examples on my part of hilariously-exaggerating both How (as well as what not) to perform. Willingly playing 'the fool', I kept them laughing alot.

We learn best, easily & quickly, in an environment orchestrated as just more child's play :)

For me, the important thing was not that 1 of my choirs was chosen as the "best most fun-Inspirational" group,

but that these individuals, who had convinced themselves with " I am a lousy singer ",

changed into now esteeming themselves as " Singing is fun, and I love to *share* it :) " : and that was, and is, my Goal !


Annie

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Annie,

Did you read Kirbster's question?

If so would you explain what your response had to do with it?

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