Curious Skip

[skip]

Some of you folks seem to have knowlege of astral projection.

I say seem, because I have very little, and cannot judge whether, or not, what you say is accurate.

But that isnt criticism, I am curious enough to inquire.

I tried astral projection back when I was a teenager, and didnt seem to make any progress. But that may have been in astral projection's infancy.

(Yes it WAS that long ago. ;)

I do do lucid dreaming.

And I do use trance, or extreme vivid imagry, to go places, talk to people, both living and dead.

And I remote view, or at least work on it, with mixed success.

Now, there has always been a question, in my mind, as to whether I actually 'go' anywhere, or really talk to anyone. I have enough empirical 'evidence', to convince me that it could be more than imagination, and enough 'lack of evidence' to keep me wondering.

BUT that has never been an issue, for me. I dont really care, whether or not I actually 'go' anywhere, as long as my results work, in the 'real' world.

In other words, "If what I learned, from these experiences, serves me well, who cares where it came from?" Really other 'people', or Jung's Collective Unconsciouss', or my own imagination, it doesn't matter, to me.

After all this universe is an electro magnetic universe (as I understand it), and so is my brain, so why cannot the universe be one vast hard drive, that I can tap, and have access to, all that ever has been, or will be?

At least that has been a very useful belief, for me, and one I plan to retain.

So I have a question, or so, for those of you, who 'do' astral project.

What do you 'do', when you 'do'? As in, "What do you use it for?"
And how has that worked out for you. In what ways have you benifited?

How do you know you 'do', when you 'do', verses a vivid hallucination or such? What sensory distinctions do you (can you) make, that tell you you are 'astrally projecting' verses dreaming, verses DTI, verses ????

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[Game Genie]

I have actually never intended to 'project' or go outside my body, it's just happened. At this stage, I don't necessarily want my spiritual endeavours to be for that. I'm not honestly sure what I could achieve anyway.

I'll recount an experience that happened a few years ago (aged 18) I woke up and I felt a tremendous vacumming force as if something was being lowered into my body. Extremely terrified, I went to scream and no sound came out. I remember being scared yet extremely intrigued at the same time. A short while later during a class at school, I read Bruce Lee had experienced something similar as a child - which was attributed to being a curse - I bought into it until I read a few months ago that perhaps I'd awoken whilst my travelling self was coming back into my physical body...or whatever...I'm still looking for the answers. There have been a handful of instances in my life where things have truly been strange, my intuition has always told me that these certain situations aren't
'the status quo' for want of a better phrase.

The famous remote viewer Joe McMoneagle outright denies an existence of the Akashic Records. Supposedly where all knowledge, past, present and future is stored. If you look at his track record, he certainly seems qualified to make such a statement. However, probably the greatest modern psychic (from your neck of the woods) used to open himself up to 'universal forces' that gave him incomprehensible insight and laid claim to the Akashic.

I've been trying to come to a decision for the past few months as to whether there is indeed an Akashic foundry. Your analogy of the hard drive is nice. I like to believe it is so. This year I have psychically 'retrieved' details on people I've never met (but have had long distance contact with.) I even dreamt I met a woman who looked uncannily like a spiritual worker I'm seeing as of last week, that's really been playing with my head!!!

Whilst I know we're capable of intercepting unseen forces, astral benefits escape me. However, I'm keen to know if you got anything out of lucid dreaming? I've only really ever resolved arguments with others.

[Connie]

I know we're capable of intercepting unseen forces...

I think so, too. I want to tell my story about last night. I believe I had a paranormal experience! I don't think it was "astral projection," but it was something. Last night I was convinced of its reality. Today...I'm starting to wonder.

At the time, 4:16 am, my firm conclusion was that I had been "touched by something non-physical." I even woke up my hubby and told him about my experience.

I was in bed. I was dreaming. It was a dream about my mother. She was an artist, and this dream featured a huge self-portrait of her. (I have tons of her artwork in reality, including several self-portraits.) I had it laid out on the floor in the basement of my childhood home. The light was pouring in on it from the windows, but I thought it wasn't enough light. I turned on the light in the room. The picture was of her face, head and upper body, primarily. I called to her (she was upstairs) to come down and see the picture. I was calling my mom to come look. I could hear someone coming down the stairs.

Then I was aware of myself in bed, and felt something approaching me. I felt dread.

As an aside here, I've been having multiple "shaktipat transmissions" with my reiki teacher over the past few months. And I still am. It's meant to open me to spiritual awareness. When she transmits to me, there's a very distinct kind of electrical pattern of motion and color I see behind my eyes. A kind of sparking.

This same thing began happening last night, only much more intense. Violent, even. That crescendoed for a second or two, then I felt like something came on me. I was totally aware of my body and the position of the blankets, etc. I don't know how to word it. Something was on me. Merging with me. I didn't like it. It lasted maybe 2 or 3 seconds. I was reacting and physically shaking so violently in my bed I woke myself up. My heart was pounding. I looked at the clock. It was 4:16 am. I was wide awake, and kind of terrified. I felt that something had touched me. Something non-physical. If it was my mom, it wasn't a pleasant encounter. I thought about it for 10 minutes or so, becoming more and more convinced that it wasn't "a dream," then I woke up my sweetie pie and made him listen to me. :) "Something just happened. Something touched me..." Then I was kind of too apprehensive to sleep again for awhile.

Another side remark. I don't usually remember my dreams. I remember every iota of this experience.

Do you think it was a paranormal experience? I'm Connie-curious, too.

[tdiamond]

You know it's all pretend anyway:) it's all good if you believe it so... and better if you have not read astral traveler 101....

more later....

[Terry (existing)]

Skip, fair question, and deserving of a fair answer from someone who has actually done some research on this in order to preclude errors or misunderstandings. First, let me say I know of several research projects once carried out by your own Government to develop phsychic spies, but my own research was done before I discovered others where doing the same thing. It was done out of pure interest, with no goal in mind, just to see what the mind was capable of, and my two sons volunteered to be the subjects for the experiements. The first one I did was telepathy, and I found my sons were very telepathic when it came to exchanging massages with each other, we never did get a third party to work with us at that time, though I did so later. Anyway, when it came time to test OOBT, I used my youngest son, while the older one went to set up an open book in another room, which we intended to be the target, and for my son to read the numbers of the pages that were open. First time we did it, my oldest son opened the book, and looked at the numbers, wanting no doubt to know ASAP if his brother got it right. Naturally, telepathy kicked in, and the younger one knew the pages instantly, so that was a bum run, and next time, I opened the book, making sure I didn't see the pages to eradicate the possibility of telepathy being disguised as OOBT... The results were exactly what I might have expected from a successful attempt, and I was given both numbers, plus my son described the cord pulling him back into his body, something often described, but about which he knew nothing, since I had no books around that offered such a description. After that however, he told me he didn't feel comfortable, and didn't want to repeat the experiment, so it was put aside, and not used again by either of my boys. They did however have fun with the telepathy for some time to come. "One sparrow does not summer make" of course, and even with one more experiment I carried out with a stranger, I don;t assume I proved anything that could be published. I do however know that I have convinced myself that it was indeed a valid and successful experiment, and I would repeat it with confidence if occassion arose. As for details, I will be happy to give you any you request, but via email and not online. I have a feeling that this could be a very dangerous experiment for someone not skilled enough to cope with the feelings of the volunteer....If you wish to try without any more input, I can say I used music, and it helped considerably or so I was told by my son. Just as an aside, my youngest was suffering from Dyslexia at the time, and perhaps still is, so the information he gave me showed that the problem has carried over into the experiment, and he read some numbers backwards, and corrected them in the waking state, as if he knew he had made such mistakes. That was sufficient proof for me, since he did this before anyone knew what those numbers were.

[skip]

Thanks for the reply Terry. Yes I knew about the Govt experiments, mostly remote viewing, if my information is correct. Ingo Swann et al.

If you are interested check out the 'Monroe Institute' material, they are on the web.

I have had success at remote viewing. I have had success at telepathy. Enough to tweak, but not enough to lable it household fact yet. And frankly this hasnt been an area of passionate interest for me.

And my intuition is, more often than not, thru the roof. But that seems to be a matter of finally learning to stay out of the way and listen to what I was hearing all the time, but not really hearing. And I believe everyone does this.

But am I simply tapping into whats out there, that everyone could tap into, if they so desired?

Or am I actually separating from my body, and going somewhere else, when I 'imagine' that I do.

Gamegenie, I dont understand your question. There is abslutely nothing you cannot do in lucid dreaming.

My question is, is it 'just' dreaming, or is there some actual going and doing?

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[Poodle]

Why sweet lady would your mother harm you in the least? If she is making herself known to you, it will be with love as you are her love. The signs could be anything from something moved to something placed to actually being near. Have no fear! You could also fill your whole body up with white light from your crown chakra and have it then pour out your heart chakra to encase your whole body in pure, wonderful white light energy. It works. Ask "our" teacher. xoxoxoxox The Pood

[tdiamond]

[quote=skip]Thanks for the reply Terry. Yes I knew about the Govt experiments, mostly remote viewing, if my information is correct. Ingo Swann et al.

If you are interested check out the 'Monroe Institute' material, they are on the web.

I have had success at remote viewing. I have had success at telepathy. Enough to tweak, but not enough to lable it household fact yet. And frankly this hasnt been an area of passionate interest for me.

And my intuition is, more often than not, thru the roof. But that seems to be a matter of finally learning to stay out of the way and listen to what I was hearing all the time, but not really hearing. And I believe everyone does this.

But am I simply tapping into whats out there, that everyone could tap into, if they so desired?


yes, we are all connected into universal energy... the hardest part is learnign to get out of your own way and to stop doing and start allowing.sounds like you are there from the above comments.

Or am I actually separating from my body, and going somewhere else, when I 'imagine' that I do.

I believe this part is the same as the part we play as a person being hypnotized or as one might say perception is projection.

If you had never heard that you were seperating from your body, would you have ?

I believe we can shift in and out of planes easily if we know we can.. once again it all comes back to one's personal belief system,and what prior knowledge you have in your head that will influence you.

Does it matter whether you are "in " or "out " of your body? ( remember when I ask a question this way it is not me asking.. simply asking you to ask)

Perhaps looking at it as I know it to be could help..

If all of our infinte paths are occuring at the same time you arent actually leaving anything.. you are simply shifting to another time or time frame or plane or whatever way you want to desribe it..

I think of it as focusing on another aspect of me in another space. Thats why I believe no one or thing is going to come and do anything to the person I am now.. I am still here, just sent focus and energy to another awareness of self somewhere else.

Am I making any sense to anyone?

Gamegenie, I dont understand your question. There is abslutely nothing you cannot do in lucid dreaming.

My question is, is it 'just' dreaming, or is there some actual going and doing?

[tdiamond]

[quote=skip]Thanks for the reply Terry. Yes I knew about the Govt experiments, mostly remote viewing, if my information is correct. Ingo Swann et al.

If you are interested check out the 'Monroe Institute' material, they are on the web.

I have had success at remote viewing. I have had success at telepathy. Enough to tweak, but not enough to lable it household fact yet. And frankly this hasnt been an area of passionate interest for me.

And my intuition is, more often than not, thru the roof. But that seems to be a matter of finally learning to stay out of the way and listen to what I was hearing all the time, but not really hearing. And I believe everyone does this.

But am I simply tapping into whats out there, that everyone could tap into, if they so desired?

if we could all learn to get out of our own way we can all use universal energy

Or am I actually separating from my body, and going somewhere else, when I 'imagine' that I do.

Ok, now most people, like in hypnosis, are influenced by what they only know so far. So... most people when they read or talk about projection think in terms of what they understand in the here and now, or what someone else has hear and told them.

the most popular belief about travel is that you go somewhere "out" of your body.. and if you believe that.. you can also buy into others coming and taking yours whilst you are gone.

If you go with that senario it seems rather pedestrian compared to the limitless expansive journey's that we can be party to.

I pose... when one "travels' one is simply moving focus from one self to another. That other self is on another time path, another dimension, another loop. We dont leave, we shift focus on to what's happening somewhere else.

So no one is going to lose their way back unless they freak out and get scared and no one is going to take your place in the here and now ( unless mutually arranged, but thats another trip :)

Gamegenie, I dont understand your question. There is abslutely nothing you cannot do in lucid dreaming.

My question is, is it 'just' dreaming, or is there some actual going and doing?

so. yes, there is going and doing but within one's self and your own time spaces and not just dreaming , yet, what is dreaming?

[Terry (existing)]

Thanks Skip, I may look that up for interest sake. No I didn't have any passionate interest myself, it was just a matter of curiosity that caused me to do those experiements, but it was fun. As for your use of the term "remote viewing to the same state as I reffer to as OOBT, I find that interesting. If I can gain information from a distance without going there physically, it would seem to me that I must have gone there mentally, spiritually, or whatever term you choose to use for the working of the mind in a certain manner, so to me they are the same thing. However, I understand that some who attempted this in hopes of gaining information from distant planets, were happy to know they got good results when space travelling vehicles took photographs of those planets, so the question is, did they travel, or were they seeing into the future? Now that is indeed interesting, but I have not yet arrived at a way to testing this theory, any ideas? All I am reasonably certain of, is that because the mind has no substance, it does not need to obey the laws that govern our bodies, I am interested in finding out what laws it must obey if any. That is why I am still engaged in hypnosis. I believe such research will result in better methods of using our art...

[tdiamond]

thought I lost the first one and had to re write.. so i did... and there it is... maybe the second one made more sense..or not;)

[Poodle]

From what you just wrote does it mean that you believe in "walk-ins"? ;)

[tdiamond]

hmm interesting question... maybe it means I was just switching from one to the other at the time :) or even more intriguing was incorporating more than one in this reality.. curious

[Docresults]

From what you just wrote does it mean that you believe in "walk-ins"? ;)
Poodle and ALL,

While I use a lot of the metaphor Tanja uses (maybe a little differently) I can and do use the Walk-ins metaphor especially with certain people as it gives a way to accept or explain things that seem unfamiliar to them.

In fact as I get older the more I'm coming to the usefulness that EVERYTHING is true and EVERYTHING is false it depends on who you are talking to and if what they believe is getting them what they want.

To Your Best,
Doc

"I don't believe in reincarnation and I haven't the last 8 times." My Grampa Vetter

[tdiamond]

OH yah.. thats beautiful and oh so true.... genius...:)

[tdiamond]

when I work with clients on their animals ( yes I do animal behaviorial work and healing as well) I can talk strictly science with the old cowboys ( dont give me any of that namby pamby wu wu S..t, they say) or chant with chicken bones and talk to pet rocks with the real wu wu crowd..

whatever gains the rapport and trust.. after all it isnt about me and my beliefs when I am being asked to assist someone or something else... I believe most anything at least once :)

[Merlin]

Hi Skip,

After all this universe is an electro magnetic universe (as I understand it), and so is my brain, so why cannot the universe be one vast hard drive, that I can tap, and have access to, all that ever has been, or will be?

I hope my comment is OK,
but...
This ultimately becomes a limiting belief.
Limited by the Einstein relativity stuff.
We can easily go beyond EM and spacetime in our minds.


It's amazing the limitations of many RVers from their own limiting beliefs.
One excellent trainer thinks their's no cure for cancer.
Why? because he could not RV a chemical which would heal!

Does it really matter what we call it?
RV, OOB, whatever?
we can collect information beyond ourself.
Space/time isn't a problem.
For most people, it's just a matter of learning to get consciousness and imagination out of the way.

[Poodle]

I was not referring to "walk-in's" as a metaphor but an actual FACT as in putting your name on the Cosmic Bulletin Board -- Used body, great condition, xx years of quality life left. If there's a "taker" that needs to finish karma, then you have a "walk-in" as s/he takes over your body by having an accident or sick spell arranged with you and YOU get to go "HOME" as your karma is done and you have learned what you needed to learn and the other gets to finish his/her karma during what would have been the remainder of your life on Earth. The walk-in has none of your characteristics or ways of being so you are viewed by others as "not yourself" and eventually physical changes start to appear also.

[skip]

Damn,

And Cooper thought 'walk ins' was a mobile form of protest!

[solaris152000]

Interesting,

I must admit, the idea of remote viewing/astral projection/telepaphy does intrigue me. However, the lack of any concrete evidence leads me to not really bother with it that much.

I have tried to 'astral project' a few times after reading abouts people experiences. I did a basic relaxation routine for a couple of minutes, then imagined myself lifting out of my body, I kept trying to imagine that, then my vision went alot blacker than it normally is when ones eyes are closed, and I felt like I was vibrating alot and lifting, and I felt like that for a while. Almost as if my 'astral self' was having trouble 'getting out', my heart started beating faster and I could feel alot of adrenaline in me and then I gave up.

The feelings were like nothing I've ever experienced before, but they were what I had read other people felt before I tried. I've put it down to just being inside me. I wonder if thats what dying feels like, your conciousness leaving everything behind going to another plane. A nice thought, but I doubt its anything more than that.


-Danny

[Merlin]

I must admit, the idea of remote viewing/astral projection/telepaphy does intrigue me. However, the lack of any concrete evidence

That you are aware of or that is acceptable to you.

Jessica Utts does statistical analysis. Check her research on Remote Viewing.

[solaris152000]

That you are aware of or that is acceptable to you.
Scientifically acceptable.

Jessica Utts does statistical analysis. Check her research on Remote Viewing.The wiki on her says she acheieved 2% above chance with some subjects, thats not fantastic really.

And besides with the James Randi Organisation (http://www.randi.org/)
offering one million dollars as a prize for prooving remote viewing, you'd think, if people could do it, they'd jump at the chance.

[Merlin]

Statistical significance is scientifically acceptable.

The Wiki is wrong.
But I'm sure you know that the Wiki is easily manipulated by those with a contrary agenda.

Jamse Randi, as I'm sure you know, has an agenda and is not a valid measure.

[Simon]

As I have read quite some of applications to J.Rs challenge and it seemed that they often used excuses to NOT do the experiment.

[solaris152000]

I think the James Randi challenge seems quite fair.
I have also read the applicants, can't see anywhere where people haven't been given a chance.

[Merlin]

Believe as you wish :)
your loss

[solaris152000]

Believe as you wish :)
your loss
Thing is, there are infitnately many things like this I could try and do.

There's a guy who thinks he saw a bigfoot in the woods a few miles away, should I spend my time looking for this bigfoot? Or go ghost hunting in that house they say is haunted? Or go looking for UFO's, use astrology to play the stock market, enroll in a psychic course?

You could spend your whole life following pointless and fruitless things unless you have a filter to find out whats worth bothering with. My filter's Science.

[tdiamond]

You could spend your whole life following pointless and fruitless things unless you have a filter to find out whats worth bothering with. My filter's Science.[/quote]

have you seen the movie ..The secret, and what the bleep do we know...?

or read the hidden messages in water...?

science,it seems is finally catching up to us fruit cakes :)

[solaris152000]

I haven't.

[tdiamond]

something to check out for science based validation on some of these issues that get posted.

[solaris152000]

something to check out for science based validation on some of these issues that get posted.That water thing isn't abotu homeopathy is it?

[Merlin]

Some of us do.
Others sit at the sideline of life and watch.

[tdiamond]

Beautifully put..

I think of it as surendering to ourselves and learning to trust we have all we need at this moment. We are all connected, therefore, I am the universe and all its' limitless power and knowledge and there is nothing outside of me that is not inside of me...

[Don]

That water thing isn't abotu homeopathy is it?


Not directly, no. But it could be interpolated that way.

[Docresults]

I was not referring to "walk-in's" as a metaphor but an actual FACT as in putting your name on the Cosmic Bulletin Board -- Used body, great condition, xx years of quality life left. If there's a "taker" that needs to finish karma, then you have a "walk-in" as s/he takes over your body by having an accident or sick spell arranged with you and YOU get to go "HOME" as your karma is done and you have learned what you needed to learn and the other gets to finish his/her karma during what would have been the remainder of your life on Earth. The walk-in has none of your characteristics or ways of being so you are viewed by others as "not yourself" and eventually physical changes start to appear also.

Dearest Pood,

Please consider...

First for your actual fact to be of use there would have to be something called karma and a need for it to be finished.

And any belief, in Karma or anything else, is only true for the believer. "Fact" is what one brings about by belief. Beliefs are not true they are the thoughts one has repeated enough for it to become your dominate vibration and therefore your creation.

I do know what you mean by Walk-ins and the Spiritual Technology's that I use addresses them directly. And yet all a fact is, is a metaphor that has been concretized. (As my Grampa Vetter would say, Everything is a metaphor for everything else.)

All truth is, is something someone has thought about long enough to create it into exsistance. (We can use the metaphor of the inividual is the creator - which comes from that other metaphor, created in God's image and the image most have of God is creator. Or we could use the metaphor of the individual is the leading edge of source energy.)

The 1st Forgotten Fundamental of Life is "The Individual is the Meaning Maker" (Creator). For without the individual there can be zero meaning to the individual. And the individual does not have to believe anything BUT whatever the individual does believes WILL BECOME their precieved and felt reality. (Reality is created between the ears out of Acutality.)

What we usually call facts are where we stopped being curious and flexible and came to a conclusion.

Here is another set of beliefs or metaphors or facts that one may use instead of Karma.

You did not come here (the physical) to fix anything or finish anything. There is nothing you have to pay or pay back. You did not come here to save anyone or anything or to be saved. You didn't come here to learn anything, pay anything or make something right. You didn't come to finish anything. There is nothing to finish and you'll never get it done.You came for the simple joy and pleasure to understand your ability to create and co-create with others.

You may have forgotten you are the leading edge (physical) of Source Abundance (non-physical) and that you are Source Abundance a lot more than your are the leading edge. Your focus is the leading edge for that is where both Source Abunance and leading edge expand.

You may have also forgotten how you set up the physical to work. You call them Law of Attraction, Creation and Allowing and it all works vibrationally.

Everything that has ever been lived, everything that has ever been written down or documented, has been vibration first. Everything has been conjured in vibration first before it manifests. So if something has manifested and you continue to give it your attention, the fact that it is true should really hold no weight with you. The question that you could ask is not, is it true, or is it undeniable? The question that you could ask is, how does it make me feel when I focus upon it? And if the answer to the question is, it doesn't make me feel very good when I focus upon it, then I would say, true or not, it does not serve you. And if you will activate a different part of your vibration--the "truth" will shift.

Resistance is about believing that you are vulnerable or susceptible to something not wanted and holding a stance of protection, which only holds you in a place of not letting in the Source Abundance that would be there otherwise. There is nothing big enough to protect you from unwanted things — and there are no unwanted things big enough to get into your experience.

How can you possibly guide your life by the standards that come from outside of you, when there are not two in your world that ask the same thing of you? You have to, once and for all, decide that you're going to orient yourself from your Source perspective. When you make a decision that nothing is more important than that you feel good, your life will begin to become that which you knew it could be when you made the decision to come forth into this physical experience.

Your society wants to condemn them. Your society would like to crucify them. Your society would like to lock them up. Your society would like to put them off in places where they can never get near any of you. Your society does not understand that they are your creation. As individuals, you have to accept responsibility for everything that's interacting with you. Because it would not be interacting with you if you did not have an active vibration about it.This is really, really important. This means I cannot blame how I feel on my mate. I cannot blame how I feel on my children, or on my mother, or on my government, or on my society, or on my client, or on the other drivers around me. In other words, the experience that I'm having is my job. It's all my creation. It's all my responsibility. You say, "Oh, but it wasn't my fault because I didn't offer the vibration until they did that action, and after they did that action then I offered the vibration." And I want you to know, still, you are the only one that can change you. If you are not already a vibrational match it won't be activated.


See this world as a free world, and see everyone in it as trying—through their individual experiences—to find their way back to that calling, back to that Source Energy. And even though there are billions of them going about it in a way that is different than you would choose, there's no right or wrong way. In other words, bless them all, and get on with the only thing you have any power about, which is opening or closing your vortex to your natural state of Source Abundance (pure positive energy).

To Your Best,
Doc

"Before you can know a belief is true you have to be able to believe everything." MY Grampa Vetter

[Connie]

Doc, I'm reading that book right now: The Law of Attraction, by Esther and Jerry Hicks. :) It's precisely what you're talking about here. It's making a lot of sense to me!

It's always surprising to me how when I'm thinking about something, the universe keeps reminding me of it and reinforcing it for me, or answering my questions. It might be a word on the side of a panel truck, or a billboard, or a picture on a piece of junk mail that I've happened to grab as a bookmark, or a snippet of song lyric overheard, or the strange "coincidence" of meeting someone who says just the right thing to me at the right time.

Today I was thinking up a business name for my hypnotherapy practice-to-be, so I could order some business cards and stake my claim to some domain name(s). I came up with something, too, and a "tag line" (similar to what you see with movies). THEN, I got a letter from my reiki teacher today, and she used both of those things in her letter. The unusual word in the name of my company-to-be, AND the concept in my tag line, although used in different contexts. How'd she know? :D

[Docresults]

Beautifully put..

I think of it as surendering to ourselves and learning to trust we have all we need at this moment. We are all connected, therefore, I am the universe and all its' limitless power and knowledge and there is nothing outside of me that is not inside of me...

Tanja,

There is a process I use called Individual Gnostic Intensive that actually gives one the beyond thinking experience of the koan "Who am I?" (and it can be used on all the other koans as well.) This in combination with Sunyata (another process I use) gives the experience of what you have written above.

To Your Best,
Doc

"Language is the divisional, fragmentary tool used by human consciousness to define its relationship to everything. Language creates illusion. People say what something is, and in doing so they define what it is not as well." MY Grampa Vetter

[Docresults]

Doc, I'm reading that book right now: The Law of Attraction, by Esther and Jerry Hicks. :) It's precisely what you're talking about here. It's making a lot of sense to me! :D

Connie,

As I understand it of the three laws -allowing- is the one most have the difficulty with. Attraction and Creation make sense and yet to get the full impact of those two, allowing is one of the major factors. I even think Abraham says we came forth to work the law of allowing (or something similar to this).

For me I find it easier to use the law of allowing because of a few beliefs I installed in myself.

In addition to the ones I proposed earlier...

There is more than enough for "everyone" to have "everything" they want and still some left over.

No one can believe for you.

There are no victims or villians outside the individual.

Have less opinions about what others are saying or thinking and focus more on what I want. People can think or say what they want and yet it is up to me to resonant (vibrate) into alignment with what I want.

See everything as a result of alignment with a praticular vibrational range, nothing more or nothing less. (Calibration vs. judgment.)

Connection with Inner Being (Source, God, the Universe) is the most useful thing an individual can do for themselves.

TO Your Best,
Doc

"Everything is illusion and you depend on illusion to know both where and who you are." My Grampa Vetter

[Poodle]

I know NOTHING about Astral Travel; however, one of my best friends used to do it as a child and he swears up and down that it is a definite out of body experience. This also coincides with some that I have read. Do I KNOW it to be true? NO! Do I want to do it? NO! I guess I'm just not that interested in the woo-woo when I'm buried in meat and potatos. I asked to make sure I had this right and he said "I remember a definite thud when my body would re-enter". Further Pood sayeth not.

[skip]

Hi Merlin,

You are, of course, correct.

It would definately be limiting, to limit the universe, to merely 'electro magnetic'.

I suspect it would also be limiting, to fail to recognize that the universe has electro magnetic properties, which can be utilized.

cheers,

skip

[Connie]

I like that word, "woo-woo." It seems to come up a LOT. :D

[Docresults]

I like that word, "woo-woo." It seems to come up a LOT. :D

Connie,

I used to teach a class called "Practical Woo Woo, Making the Woo Woo Practical."



To Your Best,
Doc

"I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury." My Grampa Vetter

[tdiamond]

I will say it again... wow.. I love that eoquence and I will strive to be as clear about how I feel.. You took how I feel and actually said it well.. Thank you... thank you.. thank you...

I am awed... humbled and inspired..

i say, be in love and all is well.. being in the state of love doesnt require anything but being in the state of love for yourself and therefore all others in the universe, from that space there comes no harm..

[Connie]

I had another paranormal experience last night, also at 4 am. Similar to the last one I described. It was about my mother. Another "dream" which ended in some kind of merging of energy and woke me up!!! Only, after this one, I felt shiver waves of energy (similar to what I experience during Shaktipat) moving through and down my body.

I was me, sitting on a chair, reiki-ing a white cat. Someone was sitting in a stuffed overchair next to me. I don't know who it was, but I was talking to them, I think. Then the cat moved over and sat in that person's lap. I went over to the person (in the chair) and suddenly I must have been very small. Because I came up to their knees or so. I started climbing on the person and snuggling into them in some manner. There was never a face attached to this person. Then I heard this voice VERY VERY VERY VERY clearly. It was a little girl's voice saying: "Mommie, mommie, mommie." I did not recognize the voice (but I think it was supposed to be me). THEN it got weird. There was this weird energy thing that happened, totally not something I could put in words other than to say it was a "merging." There was stuff going on behind my eyes again.

Suddenly I was completely awake. This time I wasn't as terrified. I did the same things as before, checked out what time it was (about 4 minutes to 4 am) and woke up hubby and made him listen! :) Then the difference, while I was lying there awake thinking about it, I had these shivers.

[Poodle]

Why don't you call Deva and ask her about these. I bet she would know as she has been the one "opening" you up. Could be something very, very wonderful!!

[Poodle]

That was one of your better posts IMO!! Good going lady. Pood