Limiting decisions

[tommyvan1]

Ok I think I am becoming addicted to this forum.

I was reading about limiting decisions.

Is it really possible to alter a decision that you made many years ago and have it change the way you see the present.

Example 1: Jay works really hard to achieve goals. However his girl is quite sedatary and not much for reaching the high life. Jon then decides that no matter what he does he has to do it alone and that none of his future relationships will require any input from his mate. Can this be undone allowing him to embrace the help and ideas of his partner?

Example 2: Jay's father was an over bearing man who felt that his mother was not an equal but a subbordinate. Jay learned to make all of the choices with an iron fist. Jay then only dates girls who are weaker and subbordinate and becomes disatisfied easily when they actually start thinking for themselves. Can this be undone to bring Jay out of the caveman days.

Let me know your thoughts.
This does not pertain to my other posts and I am not Jay
(although we all have a little Jay in us)

[Poodle]

Not quite what you are thinking -- it's more of a learning preservation and getting rid of the yuckie feelings that went with it BUT (I love that word - it negates everything I have just written) you can be "future paced" (go into the future) on your time line to make sure you react okay not making the same stupid decision again attached with all the yuckie baggage that comes with it. It is thought that these are stored in the body and come up to your inner mind to see if it wants to handle them yet. If it says no, then they go back until it decides to or they stay trapped. TLT is a way of working with them so you can preserve the learning and none of the "crap" that came with it.

Time Line work is simple but yet very involved. Intake questions alone in a complex TLT situation can take 4 to 5 hours of questioning before any work even begins and no work will occur if it is not ECOLOGICAL. That means if it is not just good for you, but your wife, your family, your friends and your whole life in general. Just because you may want something, does not make it ECOLOGICAL. That is the most important word in NLP and TLT. That is the bottom line. We do nothing in NLP or TLT that is not completely ecological.

now in NLP if a person makes a bad decision, we can just ask if there is anything preventing them from re-deciding.

[Merlin]

The decisions can be 're-decided'
That will effect the future choices.

[tommyvan1]

I think I understand the purpose of ecology but who decides that.

Isn't that an opinion thing

[tdiamond]

I think I understand the purpose of ecology but who decides that.

Isn't that an opinion thing

isnt everything:)

[Nigel H]

Hi

Interesting points you have made/pondered....

As part of a Breakthrough Session (as taught within the TLT Master Practitioner Certification), as mentioned in another posting, we would go through someone's past and go through all the Significant Emotional Events (S.E.E.'s) in that person's life to establish the Negative Emotions and Limiting Decisions that are creating the problem for them in the present.

My First Question (avoiding a mind-read on your posting) is simply this - "Are these issues a problem for Jay?"

I was not certain if he came to you to get rid of this as a problem in his life, or if he is actually happy treating his relationship(s) in this manner?

If it is a problem, then by going through a detailed Personal history you will establish the relevant emotions and decisions that need cleaning up and this can then be done simply with TLT.

As part of the session I would do a values elicitation before the interventions to establish the 'away-from' values he has - most likely in the context of relationships AND family, from your 2 examples.

After the interventions you will re-elicit the values and expect to have them all as pretty much 100% 'towards' values now.

Having done this - you can see if the new values hierarchy serves him in his family and relationship, depending on the criteria he and you establish between you as Ecological.

Having cleaned up his past with TLT he will act differently in the situations anyway, so long as you have established the prime concern in regard to the problem at hand.

If, however, the values are not yet what he needs them to be, you can change their order within the hierarchy (using submodalities).

My intuition tells me that his need for such control in these circumstances is as a result of an 'away-from' value that once dealt with, will allow him to see things differently and hence behave accordingly.

I hope this helps.

Cheers

Nig

[Merlin]

Yes.
It's an opinion.
It's your opinion.

It's your opinion whether you seek out change, not ours.
Shouldn't there also be a test or evaluation to determine whether or not this change meets your needs/desires/goals?
Shouldn't there also be a test or evaluation to determine whether or not this change might introduce other issues or problems for you?

Shouldn't it be your choice/opinion?

[Jack]

In your first example Jay would have to understand what had happened to him to create the idea that input from his partner was not of any value. He might then have to understand that not everyone has the same goals as he does and that external input might not actually be of any value towards the achievement of those goals.

In your second example the answer is yes.

But that's just an opinion:)

Jack