NLP techniques

[Bill]

Hello

Ive been reading about NLP for a while and I thought this place would be a good place to ask a few questions regarding NLP

1. Firstly I want to talk about anchoring. A question Ive always wondered about is if I link something to a number(say I touch my nose everytime I say the number 8) would the other person think of the number 8 when I touch my nose?
Ive tried this and it doesnt work. I touch my nose everytime I say a number and anchor it. I then later ask them to think of a number, I touch my nose, but Ive never been successful. Obviously getting someone to pick the number 8 is pointless and is not very useful but I would like to hear your views on whether it is possible to make someone pick a specific number by anchoring

2. Embedded commands appear plausible in theory but in practice I have never managed to do them with any success. For example if I were to embed the command "scratch your nose" in a sentence the person is supposed to recieve a command to scratch their nose. Having tried this a while I am convinced embedded commands do not work. Has anyone been able to successfully influence a persons behaviour through the use of embedded commands?

3. Mirroring and matching are regarded as useful tools and I have a few questions. How long is it supposed to take to gain rapport? Is it possible to gain rapport by matching just one thing? and finally is it possible to get this instant rapport thing I keep hearing about?

Thank you

[Tomo]

Hello

Ive been reading about NLP for a while and I thought this place would be a good place to ask a few questions regarding NLP

1. Firstly I want to talk about anchoring. A question Ive always wondered about is if I link something to a number(say I touch my nose everytime I say the number 8) would the other person think of the number 8 when I touch my nose?
Ive tried this and it doesnt work. I touch my nose everytime I say a number and anchor it. I then later ask them to think of a number, I touch my nose, but Ive never been successful. Obviously getting someone to pick the number 8 is pointless and is not very useful but I would like to hear your views on whether it is possible to make someone pick a specific number by anchoring

2. Embedded commands appear plausible in theory but in practice I have never managed to do them with any success. For example if I were to embed the command "scratch your nose" in a sentence the person is supposed to recieve a command to scratch their nose. Having tried this a while I am convinced embedded commands do not work. Has anyone been able to successfully influence a persons behaviour through the use of embedded commands?

3. Mirroring and matching are regarded as useful tools and I have a few questions. How long is it supposed to take to gain rapport? Is it possible to gain rapport by matching just one thing? and finally is it possible to get this instant rapport thing I keep hearing about?

Thank you I think you've scratched the surface of something very interesting, if you'll pardon the pun! When you try these techniques with people, they haven't worked for you and you're questioning why and wondering if it's all quackery. Everyone does. Well, the best way is to show you how to model nose scratching effectively.

1. First, scartch your own nose now just to remind yourself how it feels. Now do it again with the other hand and see how different it feels to the first scratch. There's almost a mirror image of experiences, isn't there. Do it again once for each hand to make sure you understand that one scratching hand just seems to "feel" more "right" to do than the other. Am I right? I'm betting you'll find it's your right if you're right-handed and vice versa. The difference might be slight, but that's just because you normally don't have to pay attention to this activity on a conscious level and you're not used to it.

2. If you've been watching for eye cues in the subject whose nose you want to be scratched, you'll know whether they are left or right-handed by asking questions that access memories and so you'll also know how to best orient the anchor with what they'll accept most easily.

I'm beginning to realise that it doesn't matter how you achieve persuasion, and that a toolkit of techniques is what's really required. You can lead someone into a direct state where they'll do something they don't mind doing for you in expectation of a greater truth really easily, for example, as this increases focused motivation too.

Anchoring is a very effective tool, but you have to be quite skilled and expect it to take time to achieve the correct level of rapport. By the way, how many times did you scratch your nose just now and do you have any idea why?

[Calvin Iwema]

1. This is psychic communication. You are doing apples and oranges. Assinging a random anchor to a number is not the same as being a "psychic transmitter"

You want to build up and anchor the state when you have done it, instead of assigning a random anchor to a number. (thought of person and the pone rang, or something) build that state up and anchor THAT. then set it up so that when you squeeze their thumb and index finger together on your left hand... You are looking to improve your transmitting power, so do that directly. Your mind is very literal, so it may not get what you are trying to do if you don't specify it exactly.

2. Yes. Embedded commands work. You are, I think, talking about mixed level or multi-level communication. You need to know how systems and meta-prgrams work, and which ones are conscious and out-of-conscious for the person you are working with. It is complex and required a great amount of being able to pay attention in the moment, (as well as practice and study).

3. Yes, it is possible to gain instant rapport. Rapport and trust is also a factor of time, so it needs to be maintained and built upon.

[Merlin]

>2. If you've been watching for eye cues in the subject whose nose you want to be scratched, you'll know whether they are left or right-handed by asking questions that access memories and so you'll also know how to best orient the anchor with what they'll accept most easily.

That's not necessarily true.
eye accessing is not related to handedness.
it's always best to calibrate on the individual, rather than following the textbook example.

[Merlin]

Bill,

Anchoring works best with emotional states.
Trying to anchor a number, such as you suggest, is nearly impossible for a beginner.

Embedded commands are tricky too. Yes, they cn work, and work well.
But if it were easy, everyone would do it and NLPers would not be able to charge such high prices for thier services.

Gaining rapport by matching and mirroring takes a different time for each person, depending on how well it's done and depending on the person you wish to seek rapport with.

[Tomo]

>2. If you've been watching for eye cues in the subject whose nose you want to be scratched, you'll know whether they are left or right-handed by asking questions that access memories and so you'll also know how to best orient the anchor with what they'll accept most easily.

That's not necessarily true.
eye accessing is not related to handedness.
it's always best to calibrate on the individual, rather than following the textbook example. I do a party trick whereby I ask people three questions about their childhoods, ask them to lie about one answer, then tell them if they're left-handed and which question they lied to, so it's accurate enough for that, or is that what you mean by calibration?

[Merlin]

I mean it isn't always going to work.
If you're wrong for a party trick, it doesn't matter a whole lot, does it? But if you're eliciting strategies for changework and you make mistakes, it ain't cool.

Or maybe you don't carwe how sloppy that is either?

[Tomo]

I mean it isn't always going to work.
If you're wrong for a party trick, it doesn't matter a whole lot, does it? But if you're eliciting strategies for changework and you make mistakes, it ain't cool.

Or maybe you don't carwe how sloppy that is either? Well, in truth, I was just mucking about making him scratch his nose!

Play nicely :mad:.

[Merlin]

Tomo,

This is a public webboard.
There is no value in supporting misinformation.
You chose to share.
I simply shared that what you were doing is based on an understanding of eye cues which is not complete.
What you, or others do with that information is up to you.

[Tomo]

Tomo,

This is a public webboard.
There is no value in supporting misinformation.
You chose to share.
I simply shared that what you were doing is based on an understanding of eye cues which is not complete.
What you, or others do with that information is up to you. As I say, it was a ruse to get him to scratch his nose. The eye access cues were included because I needed to make it look like a procedure with steps in it. The clues were all in the para that came after it. The central message was that it doesn't matter how you get someone to scratch their nose as long as it happens when you want it. The original poster will stil have to go away and find some information on HOW to read EACs, won't he, so there was no harm done.

Jeez. What do you have to do round here...:(

[Calvin Iwema]

Never mind my answer in #1 above....I mis-understood your first question.

One thought though, Is that once you ask them to think of a number, they may be off inside their mind and not seeing your anchor, since it is a visual anchor to them. You might try hummin g a sound, or using a different tone of voice when you say 8, and then use that tone of voice to ask them to think of number. Or you could touch them in a specific place when you say 8 and then later when you ask them. It will depend upon the other persons rep systems.

[precious]

Anchoring works best with emotional states.
Trying to anchor a number, such as you suggest, is nearly impossible for a beginner.

So you've said that anchoring works best for emotional states. Ok !

But if we want someone to think or say something we want, like here the example of numer 8 how we can make that ? Any techniques ? Plans ? I'm sure that you can make someone to think, and say the car, name, city, word you want to, but I don't know what I have to study to know how to this kind of stuff.

[Poodle]

Have we met before?

I know what you need for "all of this". You need a great NLP training - Practitioner and Master Practitioner. Then you need to add a good hypnosis training to that.

The best part is it starts inside of YOU and changes YOU. Apparently the US government understands the power of NLP as certain legislators wanted us to "register our minds". They were afraid we might negotiate and such. Oh MY!