greetings from pune, india

[aashiesh tavkarr]

hi ! i am from pune, india. i have just joined this site as a member. just last week i finished my master practitioner program and was exposed to time line therapy in a big way. i am facinated by the whole theory. i had heard mr. art emrich a student of mr. tad james, talk about it on his visit to pune, and was hooked on to nlp and tlt in a big way.

i look forward to gaining much out of the common pool of knowledge that is being made available here.

with lots of love to all,

aashiesh tavkarr

[TaffyE]

Hi Aashiesh,

Welcome to the forum and enjoy :)

[Merlin]

Welcome to the forum!

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[Simple Guy]

Namaste, Aashiesh.

[Unregistered]

i am looking for aguide trained in nlp and hypnosis techniques of milton erikson based in mumbai

[linga]

i am looking for aguide trained in nlp and hypnosis techniques of milton erikson based in mumbai
hi
Iam a hypnotherapist practising for 2 years now. U can contact me on the net at Anukool_61@hotmail.com

[docdayal]

i am looking for aguide trained in nlp and hypnosis techniques of milton erikson based in mumbai

You can contact me on Tel 022 -26392866 Dr Dayal Mirchandani mumbai
practice ericksonian hypnosis

[New]

Can a Hypnotist from pune provide contact details?

[Hypnomania]

How popular is NLP in India? Do many people get trained in NLP?

[ravi_gupta]

ok good to see some one from India here.
I am looking for NLP experts in India .....
why ... to get some one out from a religious cult.

I need a hypnotherapist in India to save my friend from a religious leader who has brainwashed
some one to serve him and leave his family. He has been in his so called ashram for couple 3 years or more and never came back.
You know how they work serve their leader in the name god and keep working for free.
Please email me your phone number,city,state if this is your business and already have an experience to get some one out from a religious cult in India.

Is there any list or can get some numbers of hypnotherapist in different states in India.
Appreciated your help
ravigupta76@yahoo.com

[umeshsharma]

Hi Mr Ravi,

Your friend can be helped provided he wants to come out of it. He should atleast have some desire to leave that place.

Please visit www.hypnosisCenter.com for listing.

Regards,

Umesh Sharma, CH
Certified Hypnotherapist, NGH

[armaan]

Hi Aashiesh ,

Welcome to the forum, this is a great place to share and learn more about these subjects.

I am new in this field and want to go through a professional training in Hypnotherapy and NLP (Time Line Therapy). I am in Delhi presently and no probs coming over to mumbai or some other place to undergo these trainings.

Regards,

Armaan.

[ravi_gupta]

Hi Mr. Umesh, thanks for the link that has lot of great information i was looking for.

In ref to ::: Your friend can be helped provided he wants to come out of it. He should atleast have some desire to leave that place.

Well the person who is in cult doesn't know anything else besides the cult , and he will never desire ti come out becuase his mind is controlled by the organisation. If he had some desire of anykind would have worked. These cult people kills all your desires and emotions the person doesn't love his loved one who cares for him, so he will not have desire to get out ever.

[skip]

ravi,

I appreciate that you are a good friend. And I recognize that you have a sincere desire to help.

There are some problems with your request, and they revolve around the concept of free will, as you have already pointed out.

If your friend has no free will, then someone else must make his decisions to go or stay for him. And that has been your determination.

BUT he would say he wishes to stay and is happy.

And how do we determine that isnt his genuine wish?

Who specifically should be playing God here?

skip

[ravi_gupta]

Hi Skip, thanks for your commens.
same questions and replies are asked by people who are not aware of cult workings.....
"""There are some problems with your request, and they revolve around the concept of free will, as you have already pointed out.""""""""""

==== Your question indicates that you need to get some articles on religious cult behaviour control tactics first. And you will need to understand religious cults movements inner workings. To brief i will list some of the characteristics here.

This is not some family dispute problem, or problem with one individuality, it's a religious cult problem who changed the mind of the person in months when he went to get the peace of mind by listening to the preaching / chanting and faith in god but he got into the hands of the leader who abused his emotions and molded him to serve his organization.
In shorts please understand that the behaviour modifications cult put you through places you in a deep trance and you are not aware of what actually you are supposed to be but instead you are in controlled environment with in cult people and think for the leader 20 hours out of 24 hours, rest 4 hours is sleep you get. besides controlled food, and specific food, and etc etc. well please do some study on religious cult behavior modification and then you will be with me .

If your friend has no free will, then someone else must make his decisions to go or stay for him. And that has been your determination.

====He has no will, his wills are altered. infact he is in a state of mind where he doesn't know if has any feeling except his organization. See Hinduism has lots of god but instead of god he is praying to the cult leader .

BUT he would say he wishes to stay and is happy.
And how do we determine that isn't his genuine wish?
==== Answer to this is above, but let me put it here again. Let's say even if he had a wish but cult doesn't let him get out of the boundary for years, No TV now newspapers for years, See brain has two parts right and left, his creative part is dead due to continuous ritual he is doing everyday what he has been told by the leader. In India they use rituals chanting etc. and the leader is on the TV everyday, others used UFO etc etc.
For example :: Heavens gate cult :::
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/hgprofile.html
Waco Texas ::
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/19/newsid_2489000/2489769.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/834416.stm
and there should be more ....

People who understand the religious cults have emailed me their ideas, I wish to thanks to all of them please send me more of your thoughts or experiences on how we can get the person back to a normal life.

Who specifically should be playing God here?
===== Well we are not god, we are just friends and family who care and feel what the person inside the cult is going through. While driving when a disabled beggar approaches our car shows us his broken hands or wounds and ask us for money, we literally look for some change and offer him help, i am sure most of us here do, as we are human and feel the pain that beggar might be going through same way our heart rips apart when we see one of our friend is going through a pain which he is not aware of because his mind is controlled by leader even to enjoy the pain and say he is happy makes us helpless.
I am sure you are aware that with mind control or hypnosis you can tell the subject to feel apple taste in his mouth even though you have given him salt to taste. Same thing applies here, because in India religious cults not only uses hypnosis they use God and conversion methods to alter the person mind and change their beliefs.
Gupta

[skip]

Gupta,

"==== Your question indicates that you need to get some articles on religious cult behaviour control tactics first. And you will need to understand religious cults movements inner workings. To brief i will list some of the characteristics here."


Actually my question indicates my inability to make a determination you have already made. I simply am not privy to the whole of information as you are, so it would be foolish of me to make a determination on insufficent data. AND it would be equally foolish of me to ASSUME that your report is valid, because I have insufficent information about you, your skill levels, and your interests, to so do.

It is your assumption that I need information on cults.

And that assumption is inaccurate.

What I WOULD need is first hand information and an interview with your friend.

That isnt going to happen, so I pointed out the reservation about being willing to take control of this person's life, and (de)reprograming him, which is exactly what you accuse the cult of doing.

I suppose I am glad other people rushed to offer you help without concern for the accuracy of your assessment. That is their choice.

I will offer you one method that is fail safe, and has worked for me personally, and in sofar as I know has worked everytime it has been used.

You join the cult. Work hard, and gain a position of authority within the cult, one that is superior to your friend. Then ask your friend for a meeting. Inform your friend that he has been selected for a special 'secret' mission for the cult. He is to return home, and pretend to have left the group. He is to act normally in every way, and live his life as if he had indeed left and renounced the group. That at the proper time, even if it is years later, you will give him his further instructions.

Gupta, you arent yet thinking creatively. Your only mindset has thus far been one of confrontation and conflict with his current beliefs. You even chose that with me. Why would you do that? How will that serve you to get help? How will that same mindset on your part serve to help you get him out of the cult? Do you expect his cooperation in the face of your confrontation? That would be foolish indeed!

I will suggest to you that you will be better served by the advice I am now going to give. Everything you do, will either serve to help you achieve what you want, or it will serve to move you further away from it.

What do you now choose to do, fight him or enlist his cooperation in leaving the cult?

skip

[ravi_gupta]

Hello Skip, I apologise if i have hurt your feelings in some way, that was not my intentions.

I suppose I am glad other people rushed to offer you help without concern for the accuracy of your assessment. That is their choice.

=== All of the emails i have received so far are from the ex cult members who have shared some o their stories while they were there. In ref to Accuracy 99% people i speak to they have replies like you have given so infact i am used to it, and i understand your concern also.

You join the cult. Work hard, and gain a position of authority within the cult, one that is superior to your friend.
=== I assume this was a joke .... My mindset to get the victim out is because if you have a pain in stomach you know how that pain feels and your mindset will be in rush to go to pharmacy and get the Ulcaselzer or any medicine which can reduce the pain.


=== Skip , i have seen you other thread and i see you are a professional, and can be good source for lot of information. I would request you to go through Steven Hassan material on religious cults or CSJ.org on religious cults.

I sincerely appreciated your reply, and i do apologise for confrontation as you can see that we might be going through emotional problems also and i hope you can forget the conflict and may be give us some right direction.
Thanks
Gupta

[skip]

Gupta,

No apology necesary, I wasnt offended. Nor do I wish to be hard on you.

But I do need to be honest with you, and I did give you good advice.

1. Instead of being confrontational with your friend, you will have to enlist his cooperation in getting out. Your alternative is to kidnap him, and attempt deprogramming, which is precisely what the cult has done and worse. How successful do you really think that approach will be?

2. Everything you do with respect to this, either helps you, or hurts you, in getting him out. Now choose wisely. I gave you one example of thinking more creatively about this. I cannot give you a recipe, because I dont have the information needed. Nor could I even if I had the information, because the situation is dynamic and requires flexability. But I can try to show you the value of using mental jujitsu instead of a battering ram.

It is frustrating for both of us.

skip

[Ram]

Hi,
Is there any good hypnotherapist in Pune? Pls send me the address and contact details to rambilasyadav@hotmail.com
With Regards,
Ram.


hi ! i am from pune, india. i have just joined this site as a member. just last week i finished my master practitioner program and was exposed to time line therapy in a big way. i am facinated by the whole theory. i had heard mr. art emrich a student of mr. tad james, talk about it on his visit to pune, and was hooked on to nlp and tlt in a big way.

i look forward to gaining much out of the common pool of knowledge that is being made available here.

with lots of love to all,

aashiesh tavkarr

[Poodle]

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