The Dark Side (woo oooohhhhhhh)

[j0hnny#]

Anyone learned/got/experienced in any way the materials on Kendrick Cleveland's The Dark Side course (maxpersuasion.com) sounds pretty interesting from his site but at a killer $1260 odd seriously in need of some recommendation...

Knowledge is power......

peace

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[Taff Master Flash]

lol what a silly price.
all hype!

[skip]

Hardly silly, he is getting orders for this.

Is it unethical, duping people, who want to learn how to do terrible things to others?

And please spare me, the unending 'this stuff really works' garbage that has surrounded the Derren Brown thread. I was around when most of this 'dark side' material was being developed, and know personally many of the 'developers'.

What does work, is going to require more skill than someone who would purchase it, would devote.

I like Kendrick, he is skilled.

I highly recommend his persuasion material, it is cutting edge.

He has struck a new low with this offering.

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[j0hnny#]

Hey Skip,:)

So what are you saying here..... is the stuff on the Dark side course all BS or just incredibly difficult to learn...

P.s. I'm interested in seeing how someone might do these sorts of things... and knowing if and when they are happening than actually doing them... like i say - well me an Frank Bacon.... knowledge is power.

HAving it needn't involve using it (and for negative purposes)....

I think if he really had ethics and thought people should know about this stiff he could give the course away free..... If everyone knew about it it might lose some of its power.... ?? perhaps? or maybe it just ain't that good????



Cheers
j

[j0hnny#]

did i say stiff there..... sheeeeesh

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[skip]

Johnny,

"So what are you saying here..... is the stuff on the Dark side course all BS or just incredibly difficult to learn..."

Its a problematic situation. If you are good enough to do covert installation, then you could use the patterns more or less effectively. However, if you are good enough to do that, you dont need to buy the patterns, you could just make up your own version on the fly, as you deemed it necessary. If you arent good enough, then having the patterns will give you only the informatin, not the ability.


"I think if he really had ethics and thought people should know about this stiff he could give the course away free..... If everyone knew about it it might lose some of its power.... ?? perhaps? or maybe it just ain't that good????"


Since this occurrs outside of conscious awareness, you wouldnt 'know' when this was happening. This incidentally completely negates Kendrick's claim that he is only doing this to help the public protect themselves. If you recall in his ad copy, Kendrick claims one of these patterns was used on him and screwed him up for several years. Now Kendrick is a skilled guy, and was skilled when he alledges this occurred. So how come he couldnt protect himself? Because it happens outside of his conscious awareness.

So Kendrick is trying to make a buck. Nothing wrong with that. And he is preying on those who want instant power over others. Well he isnt the first.

When Kendrick first released this, many of the people who developed the origional 'darkside patterns' decided to publish them, and distribute them for free. So it is not as if, with a little effort you couldnt find, for free, exactly what Kendrick is selling for 1200 simoleans.

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[j0hnny#]

Nice one Skip.... :)

[PHatDriver]

Been looking...
big K hasnt got it.
Was speaking to a freind of mine and he was saying this was one of the best forums for this kind of stuff.
Being new/ish to NLP he said someones bound to elaborating on the
where abouts are the free Dark Side files! :)
said I was new, still trying..

[Unregistered]

It's nothing that someone skilled in NLP and Hypnosis wouldn't already be able to do.

The above posters are right, in order to understand what is going on, you already have to know how to do it in the first place. All hype. $1300 ppsshh.

[znmeb]

I've got a couple of comments here:

1. I took "Maximum Persuasion" in 1999. It was my first live training in NLP, and it encouraged me to go ahead and get an NLP (and Neuro-Semantics) Master Practitioner and Trainer certification. I also joined Kenrick's affiliate program and his mailing list.

2. Early this year, he sent an announcement to his mailing list about the "Dark Side". I thought about it for a couple of days, then sent him an e-mail telling him that I was leaving the mailing list and the affiliate program, and my reasons why. He responded kindly.

3. A couple of months ago, I got an offer from David Barron for a similar course at a much lower price. That offer appears to have been withdrawn; perhaps it was a bootleg copy of Kenrick's and the legal eagles made him pull it.

4. *Anybody* who is competent in NLP and Ericksonian hypnosis can create patterns like this and administer them to people who are susceptible. Likewise, *anybody* who is competent in NLP and Ericksonian hypnosis can detect such patterns and take what is the only reasonable course of action ... gently but firmly terminate the relationship with that person as soon as possible. Just remember, what goes around, comes around. :)

So, ultimately, in my map of the world, anyhow, the question is "Is Kenrick's course worth $1297?" Is it a complete NLP practitioner/master practitioner training course? I rather doubt it. If it is, that might be a reasonable price. However, my suspicion is that Kenrick is simply appealing to the sociopathic side of people. If that floats your boat, go ahead. Remember, though, if you're disappointed in the material, you can't get a refund.

Ed Borasky
http://www.borasky-research.net/

[mcCVey]

I have got the Dark Side text, and I'm not convinced that it would work.

The unconscious mind will not lie or do harm for a start, and a lot of what Cleveland says in the text is about influence and harm. His suicide strategy, I think, is BS. You would have to prey on a very vulnerable person for a great length of time in order for this type of hypnotic language to work.



Saying all of this though, where there is a positive reaction to language, and indeed anything in life, unfortunately, there can also be negative ones.



Some say that in everyone’s mind there is a negative/evil side, it’s just that most of us are not driven to access it. It’s locked away until a trauma or event unleash it. Cleveland is trying to unlock that part of the mind with hypnotic language, but I think, even under deep hypnosis that you unconscious mind would not “turn bad”.



It’s a real shame, because Cleveland is very talented, and his course and language patterns in NLP are fantastic when used for the good on NLP and not just in making money.

[MrWooWoo]

I have just read some of the text from Kenricks Dark side , and am finding it a little to star trek for my liking, nothing really to do with complex language patterns from what i have read, it's all to do with projecting energies and negative visualisations about a certain subject , i personally dont go for this reiki style of 'projections' and 'energies' almost akin to black magic.Hypnosis and nlp yes i understand but when you start imagining yourself sending influencing messages to someone via a imaginary link that u have to try and get them to feel a certain way or do things,sounds like a pile of rubbish imo...Anyone else read any/ heard anything of kenricks dark side,..p.s. i do like his nlp/hypnosis work,.v good

[Merlin]

It's not rubbish.
It's just other subjects areas beyond hypnosis.

[Unregistered]

With Nlp and Hypnosis theres a huge evidence that it does actually work and with the explanation of how it works it 'actually' makes sense.Its understandable from a common sense perspective.

Now with Kenricks new Dark side stuff he's trading in a different field altogether.Touching realms of almost fantasy,It makes it very hard for it to be believable.
Can your mind actually project into someone elses while they may be anywhere on the planet,
The only point i can see i doing this is for your own benefit on how you see the subject.But in reality
I doubt if there is any change in the other person, no matter what your intention.
I dont wish to come across narrow minded but isn't this a kind of 'influencing telepathy' ,...
Anyone think this stuff can actually work,?

[Choochoo]

Hypnosis and nlp yes i understand but when you start imagining yourself sending influencing messages to someone via a imaginary link that u have to try and get them to feel a certain way or do things,sounds like a pile of rubbish imo
Ok I am fairly new to hypnosis and NLP but I am interested so I hope you don't mind me speaking up here :) Is it possible that when you *do imagine* yourself connected to someone and imagine "sending" ideas/vibes etc. your body language, and all that makes up Ericksonian hypnosis changes too? Doesn't that have an effect on the person you are "sending" to also? aren't you more likely to see things in a sunnier light because after all you're "sending" this energy out etc. I mean, you might (for example) be worried someone might not approve an idea you have at work.. aren't you less likely to get that approval you want than if you feel confident that you *will* get it? No matter where that confidence comes from? If you have a more positive attitude about something doesn't it make sense people tend to respond in a more positive way, and aren't you more likely to notice? That doesn't seem like black magic to me.. New as I am to NLP and hypnosis etc. I think it just makes sense.
N

[MrWooWoo]

Yes choochoo i agree with what you have said but what i ment was if you have absolutly no contact with the subject at all how can it be possible to influence them .

[Choochoo]

by influencing yourself

[Hibbitty]

quantum entanglement