Astral Projection Question...

[AhavatYisrael]

I don't know a great deal about astral projection, and I've been reading this book "Flying Without a Broom", it simply SEEMS that all results from Astral Projection are subject to hypnotic suggestion...

If anything, it just looks like there is a lot of overlapping.

Would anyone mind curing me of my ignorance for today? :D

[Poodle]

unless one is very good at hypnotising oneself in sleep, it would be quite difficult to make those suggestions and while making those suggestions one would also have to account for the pain of body re-entry.

I have another suggestion. Read a different book.

[Terry (existing)]

Ignorance is sometimes good you know!!!!! Not sure what it is you are asking, but yes, Astral projection is all about the mind, and the imagination. Hypnosis is all about the mind and the imagination. Do you suppose they are related in some way? Perhaps, but in some distant way I think..:)

[AhavatYisrael]

Let me clarify,

I view my universe in a fairly straightforward way

Me----->My Perception of Reality----->Reality

When I mentioned the similarities between Projection and Hypnosis, I was referring to...I suppose the Perception.

The perceived experience could be one in the same, but I'm concerned with the integrity of what I am or am not experiencing.

In other words...is it all "real".

[AhavatYisrael]

Poodle, any recommendations?

It just seems the method for meditation and the creation of an astral body is exceedingly similar to visualization, I was approaching the whole idea of astral projection with what I would consider to be an open mind, up until what I was reading looked like a script.

[Poodle]

Now comes the question - IS IT REAL? I know hypnosis is real and I know people that have astral projected when young with no knowledge of television or radio. I have read quite a lot on it and I must admit, I just don't know as it has never happened to me. That is why in NLP we say "the map is not the territory" as each of us lives in our own realities and beliefs. If you are asking if this is something a hypnotist could do with a client, I would doubt it unless the client were very interested in unusual experiences meaning if it were something the client wished, we could facilitate.

The title of the book you read reminds me of some Hillary Clinton jokes that have been on the internet wherein she crashed WITH her broom.

[Connie]

I met a man the other day who was telling me that, with proper training, I could learn to walk through walls. I have serious difficulty imagining that. Is that a subcategory of astral projection?

[AhavatYisrael]

Apparently so,

Supposedly when one crafts an "astral body" he or she has the ability to pass through physical barriers, the only barries I seem to have read about are mostly emotional ones.

See and I don't really have an issue believing any of this or not, the only thing I've noticed is how similar the method of projecting is to...trance and suggestions.

It starts wth relaxation, works into visualization, then suggestions with results...I'm really questioning the method as opposed to the goal, I really WANT to believe that one can Astral Project, it's just parts of this book stuck out like a sore thumb.

Also, I've read a bit online (a lot of good that does..) but the methods for creating an astral body seem basically the same, but a few things are vague, such as the idea of 'transferring' ones consciousness to this visualized body, then seemingly magically being able to look at your own body...I just don't know.

I am trying to keep an open mind though.

[Don]

The Art and Practice of Astral Projection by Ophiel
The Llewellyn Practical Guide to Astral Projection by Denning and Phillips
Mastering Astral Projection by Robert Bruce and Brian Mercer
The handbook of Astral Projection by Richard A Greene

[Terry (existing)]

First you give your view on reality in one post, "Me.....my perception of reality.....Reality". This I understand, but since you accept that one can have a perception of reality which is not factual, why is it that you presume to think our perception is any better than yours? Next you tell us, I WANT to believe in Astral projection", well why shouldn't you? If I were to tell you that it is indeed factual, and I had proved it to my OWN satifaction, why would that make any difference to YOUR choice of what to believe? After all, you know me no better than you know the author of the book you just read, so who am I to have such confidence in?
You can read a dozen books, and what you get is a dozen perceptions which are not your own. Are they any better than yours? Well, in fact they are since you have no perception, but non of them have any credence with the other authors, since each has his or her own perceptions...
Them that can do. Them that can't read about it and wonder. That is how it should be in my opinion. Me, I never wonder, I do it, and if I can't I don;t believe it unless it comes from an unimpeachable source.:) God gave me a mind which has a value beyond price, should I waste it wondering, or should I find out for myself? You tell me....

[AhavatYisrael]

Attempting something without guidance or an idea of where one is going is akin to travelling to a foreign country without a map, or, indeed, without knowledge of that country's very being.

I ask out of curiousity.

Terry, I like to 'do' as well, but if I have no idea what to 'do' or if I believe that my doing will result in nothing, I personally find it hard to justify 'doing' anything.

I don't hold your opinion above the author of this book, neither do I hold the author's opinion above yours, I'm simply trying to get different perspectives....to try and determine the reality of the situation.

Trying to look at things in more than one way, do you blame me for that?

Don, thank you for the suggestions.

[Terry (existing)]

Attempting something without guidance or an idea of where one is going is akin to travelling to a foreign country without a map, or, indeed, without knowledge of that country's very being.

I ask out of curiousity.

Terry, I like to 'do' as well, but if I have no idea what to 'do' or if I believe that my doing will result in nothing, I personally find it hard to justify 'doing' anything.

I don't hold your opinion above the author of this book, neither do I hold the author's opinion above yours, I'm simply trying to get different perspectives....to try and determine the reality of the situation.

Trying to look at things in more than one way, do you blame me for that?

Don, thank you for the suggestions. I don;t believe "blame" has any place here, so if that is what you got from my post, I wasted my time and effort. I will not make that mistake again.:(

[AhavatYisrael]

Haha sorry, I'll be sure to include smiley faces more often.

Wasn't meant in a negative way, I forget this keyboard doesn't pick up on my tone sometimes.

[Connie]

...if I believe that my doing will result in nothing, I personally find it hard to justify 'doing' anything... That belief is the crux of the matter. You'll get the results you anticipate--nothing!

...I don't hold your opinion above the author of this book, neither do I hold the author's opinion above yours, I'm simply trying to get different perspectives....to try and determine the reality of the situation.

You state that you use other people's opinions to determine your reality. I've been guilty of that, as well, all my life. It's not a good thing. Try to break away from that.

[Poodle]

Does it exist? YES

How do we know? We ALL usually do it every night although most of us are unaware of it.

Does one need a script? No, it just happens.

Terry gave the correct answer but his post was ignored. I personally read Terry's posts at least 5 times - reason -- older, wiser and VERY EXPERIENCED. Love those golden nuggets he just throws out if one can only find them. Pood ;)

[Charlie]

I am finding it very strange sometimes reading some postings on these forums about subjects of which I was so very fascinated in my early teens, but which somehow slipped away as I entered adulthood, and which subjects I can now no longer remember anything about.
:confused:

[Charlie]

I met a man the other day who was telling me that, with proper training, I could learn to walk through walls. I have serious difficulty imagining that. Is that a subcategory of astral projection?
I don't know, but if you ever consistently achieve this, then you might want to keep quiet about it, unless you want a new career in the military, I would guess.....

:(

[Terry (existing)]

Rather natural considering the number of teens we get contacting us. They want it, they want it now, and they don't expect it to cost them either in time, effort, or money. That is usually how you can tell they are teens. Adults have learned you get nothing for nothing unless that is also its worth.

[Charlie]

Rather natural considering the number of teens we get contacting us. They want it, they want it now, and they don't expect it to cost them either in time, effort, or money. That is usually how you can tell they are teens. Adults have learned you get nothing for nothing unless that is also its worth.
Yup, fairly natural/typical.

Just slightly strange for me...... presents from the past.... maybe.

:confused:

[Connie]

I had a weird experience last night, that occured to me MAY have been a possible "astral projection." It was nothing I can remember ever experiencing before.

I was dreaming...that I was in my childhood home, where I grew up. (It's still there, I drove past it the other day.) I was in the bathroom, washing something, and wondering if my sister was home. I looked down the hallway into her open bedroom door (that was only her bedroom when we were very young, in later years it became an office for my Dad), and I could see the bed with "stuff" on it, but I couldn't see if she was in it. I was thinking, it's awful late, is she here or not? I "knew" it was 5:23 am. SO! I started walking down the hallway toward her room and noticed the front door to the house was open, so I veered that way. Then I noticed a table in the room where it didn't belong. I'm staring at the table..wondering what it's doing there...

All of a sudden I felt strange. Kind of sinking sick, like I was going to faint. But I fainted UPWARD. It was like an elevator motion sensation, moving UP. I floated (fast) towards the ceiling. Next thing I know I'm in my bed, and I'm awake, but there is this energy sensation. I've got this "sizzling" type energy pattern behind my eyes. There's a pattern (like computer circuitry), there's a color (beige), and I think there's a sound, too. It was totally bizarre. It took a few seconds to feel normal. And I remembered clearly the "dream" or whatever it was. I looked at the clock on my nightstand: 5:18 am. (close to the dream time)

Anyway, all this strange stuff came to my mind, that I had really been there, in the house, and now I was back. I thought the table might be the furniture of the new tenants who bought the house. I wondered if they thought the house was "haunted," and that it might be--by me. :eek:

I still feel a very strong connection to that house, my dad died in it. I grew up there. All my brothers and sisters. I often have dreams set there. I did feel compelled to drive past the house the other day. And I did drive past.

I don't know what this experience was, but it was DIFFERENT!!! I'm much more attuned to energy than I used to be through reiki, and there was definitely something "energetic" going on with me when I woke up.

[NothingButAName]

I don't know a great deal about astral projection, and I've been reading this book "Flying Without a Broom", it simply SEEMS that all results from Astral Projection are subject to hypnotic suggestion...

If anything, it just looks like there is a lot of overlapping.

Would anyone mind curing me of my ignorance for today? :D

To your first post i'll respond. it seems to me like you're looking for validation on whether or not to believe in something because you don't wish to go into it blindly or suffer humiltity because of ignorance, fair enough? As one of the posters said, slightly paraphrased, "do things because you want to do them, figure things out for yourself". questioning is great to an extent but after we know enough we should practice what we have studied, we learn FAR FAR more through the practice than the study of something we wish to have. So with all of what you have learned, do what you have learned, go through the techniques, maybe even let us all know about your progress or lack of progress, whichever occurs.
Remember that if this tallent does actually exist then it is most likely going to take great effort on your part to bring it into fruition since it seems to be not that common of an ability.

[janetk]

For myself I find astral projection very similiar to dreaming or lucid dreaming. Only in the begining did I see my body in bed. I have never felt any pain while returning to my body. I have also had a NDE while in surgery that experience was painful for me when I was pushed back into my body.
I astral travel quite frequently, and have for many years, sometimes I use self hypnosis to relax with intention of where I want to go and what I want to accomplish. I usually always get out of my body but I do not always go where I want.
I will become aware in a dream that it is only a dream and then I can direct my dream. Personally I feel that lucid dreaming and astral projection and dreaming are all the same.
My suggestion to those who want to create the experience of astral travel, is to acknoledge your dreams, journal them when you wake up or when you remember a dream. The other is to have intention whether you do it in a waking state or while sleeping. Intend to astral travel and you will. If you need the validation of seeing yourself in bed then make that part of your intention. I no longer need that validtion so I rarely see myself in bed.
Your unconscious mind is the part of you that dreams. Be pateint it will happen.
What we see as reality, the solid stuff is just an illusion. The dreams are really who you are. Have fun.