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Steffan_Effenburg
04-06-2007, 06:18 AM
I have just viewed a TLT demonstration on youtube which really floored me in terms of its psychological insight; I know virtually nothing of TLT so it was quite an enlightening experience.

In the demonstration a subject was asked, ‘where is 1 week ago in your mind?’ I paused the video and tried this myself, it was slightly out to the left, the subject on the video reported the same phenomena. The practitioner continued with the subject - one month, one year, ten years etc., all to which he replied further away to the left, I was quite surprised at this point as I had the exact same process, the past was further and further away to the left and the future was way out to the right.

The practitioner went on to give an explanation of the two types of time representation and the general character traits the go with them. He explained that the ‘vertical people’ tend be more extrovert living for the moment with the past firmly behind them always living for the now. Conversely, the horizontal people are more inclined towards introversion, partly because the past affects a lot of what they do thus they tend to be wearier of potential consequences. On the flip side it was claimed vertical people tend to repeat the same mistakes and be late for their appointments whilst the horizontal are more effective learners and are generally the more organised of the two.

I’ve never favoured the stamp-like labelling of introvert / extrovert because of its naïve simplicity and overwhelming power to categorise a person into a certain type for which there whole experience can be interpreted from. The above explanation however, to me, seems like a valid theory explaining a key subjective difference between ‘introverts’ and ‘extroverts’ and perhaps more interestingly, how shifting the way a person represents time can be a powerful tool for change.

I would like to ask those who have some experience with TLT whether the above holds any validity in the introvert / extrovert experience and more to the point, can these time orientations actually be changed?

Connie
04-06-2007, 07:36 AM
can these time orientations actually be changed?

Yes, definitely! And quite easily. I'm not sure what you mean by "vertical" time, the distinctions we learned were "in time" (your timeline dissects your body), and "through time" (you are separate from your timeline and, often, can see it). There are far more permutations of possible time lines than up and down and across, the strangest I've heard of was circular. Some are V-shaped. All have ramifications on how a person perceives the world. I don't like those labels, introverted and extroverted. Too broad! What you describe as "introverted" would seem to fit with the through time model, the ability to see more and learn from it. Those "in time" live in the moment, and may or may not be able to view their past easily.

I love this time-line stuff--powerful, powerful tool. It may be the most exciting thing I've learned in the past months of training. Its uses in the therapeutic setting are very, very exciting. You can virtually time travel with the person, take them for a stroll along their timeline, any direction and guide them in ways to "fix" things. Since you like it, as well, delve deeper!!! (More training in it!)

Steffan_Effenburg
04-06-2007, 09:55 AM
Vertical was the wrong choice of word, basically I meant forward and back and the other left to right (my present representation).

What I love about this is that it gives you a 'how', psychology is loaded with 'why', you're parents did xyz to you etc. etc., it gives you nothing to go on. Here we have a defined subjective process beyond content that gives way to a certain set of behaviours, a process that can be changed, not a fixed innate essence that cannot.

I suppose like anyone interested in this field I want to create some kind of change in myself, I tend to look back on the past and find myself dwelling unnecessarily, this I would like to change. What would happen if I were to change from a left-right to a forward back? Would the scope of such a change bring up certain ethical considerations if we were indeed talking out the possibility of becoming more extrovert? Fascinating.

Thank you.

Connie
04-06-2007, 11:30 AM
Steffan, try it! I don't see "ethical" ramifications of playing with one's own timeline orientation. You're not changing your personality. Just giving yourself a different perspective. You can always change it back. If you think you focus too much on what's past, then "try on" putting it (the past) behind your back for awhile. Where you won't see it. Or maybe at an angle, where you don't have to see it, but you can if you want to.

I like to see all of my timeline! I don't want to make the same mistakes again. I like to see them. My teacher told the story about a woman who had the past stretched out in front of her. She had problems moving forward in her life, she couldn't "see" her future.

Poodle
04-06-2007, 11:51 AM
The good part of Time Line Work is that one is able to float above so as to not reexperience the BAD FEELINGS AGAIN. I also do not view time line work as "self help". You definitely need a person experienced in time line work.

Personally, I prefer working with Bandler's versions of time line work which is ON the time line. Why should we be limited only to a straight line -- I want many variables so I may take off on side trip A for a little while to learn or do something else before returning back to the original time line. It also works if you just tell the client to put the past behind them and envision the time line as going forward. This definitely puts the person "in" time. From there many wonderful things can be added. Just a thought. Pood

Merlin
04-06-2007, 12:09 PM
What would happen if I were to change from a left-right to a forward back? Would the scope of such a change bring up certain ethical considerations if we were indeed talking out the possibility of becoming more extrovert? Fascinating.Changing a timeline like this can be disorienting at first.
Do it when you have plenty of spare time (a weekend, not just before work).
Be sure to save your timeline exactly as it is so you can easily change back.
It helps to have a friend work with you in getting things changed.

Later, after some practice, you can change your timeline like changing your clothes. Wear whaterver works at the moment.

Time direction is 3D. You can have points, lines, solids, or combinations.
You can also anchor timeline directions for quick situational changes;
one way for work, one way for play, another for lunch, etc.
Have fun.
Later, learn it for healing.

Oh, I've never found a link of introvert/extrovert & timeline direction.

Poodle
04-06-2007, 01:57 PM
Since none of us know anything about introvert/extrovert with TLT, would you care to give us a link? It certainly does not fall in the realm of traditional TLT, TL Essence or even Bandler's work on Tl's. Pood

Steffan_Effenburg
04-07-2007, 04:24 AM
Since none of us know anything about introvert/extrovert with TLT, would you care to give us a link? It certainly does not fall in the realm of traditional TLT, TL Essence or even Bandler's work on Tl's. Pood

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfI6hSe0_9c


The clip is actually a weight loss session but he goes on to give a nice explanation of the types around the 12/13 minute mark

Poodle
04-07-2007, 11:55 AM
I've never heard someone go on so much about TLT and I am also wondering if that man is in for weight loss, I wonder what one would call the Americans I see.

My book doesn't read anything like that. I also noticed it was under the NLP category?????