I have met John and richard

[Unregistered]

I met John and Richard when I was a child and was trained in nlp for a year. When I say a year I mean everyday and night for a year seven days a week. The funny thing about NLP and the founders is that theres no mention of another person whom had a great deal with the studies and contributions to the skill. This man was a communication wizard! Has anyone heard of Frank Pucelick? I know Richard and John know him personaly. It's really suprising to see how big this thing has become. What a trip.
For all you NLP students I have some advice. Don't leave God out of the equation. Your not Him :-)

A Former student from way back

[Charlie]

I met John and Richard when I was a child and was trained in nlp for a year. When I say a year I mean everyday and night for a year seven days a week.

Oh really.

Day and night, eh?

Well, thank you for letting us know.

It's really suprising to see how big this thing has become. What a trip.

Indeed.

For all you NLP students I have some advice. Don't leave God out of the equation. Your not Him :-)

Well, thanks for the advice, but I guess we can all take personal and individual responsibility for making our own minds up on the bigger questions.

Enjoy your trip,

Charlie.

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[Unregistered]

I agree with Charlie that it is up to the individual to whom they believe god is and what god means to them

Also, taking on board one of the pressups of NLP "to respect anothers model of the world" means that we can be totally comfortable listening to others opinions :-)

[Charlie]

I agree with Charlie that it is up to the individual to whom they believe god is and what god means to them

Or even to believe in no god(s) at all.

Also, taking on board one of the pressups of NLP "to respect anothers model of the world" means that we can be totally comfortable listening to others opinions :-)

Interesting complex-equivalence you have there i.e. '"to respect anothers model of the world" MEANS that we can be totally comfortable listening to others opinions'.

Is that what it really means???

I wonder.

Personally I am a tad uncomfortable with the idea of being TOTALLY comfortable listening to others opinions.

But, hey, that's just me.

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[Unregistered]

Yeah you could say day and night, because of the embedded suggestions and ancors that where implemented. Whats with the scepticism? Yeah we should respect others "model of the world" or, " map and territory" as I like to put it.
Anyway, my purpose for posting is in regards to Frank Pucelick. I assume that noone has heard of him, because of the lack of response to my question. Uh oh, assume was used. We all know what that means. HEHE!
Does Richard still live in California? Is Judy still around. I would like to get in contact with her. Shes a wonderful person!

Think someone can build trust and mirror on a forum?

[mcCVey]

Just out of interest I got this information from the bbnlp.com:
Frank Pucelik was the third person involved in the beginning of NLP. He worked with Richard Bandler in the first attempt to model the patterns used by Fritz Perls to achieve reliable success with Gestalt therapy. He remained in the original research group as a participating member when Bandler and Grinder teamed up. Frank is best known for co-writing "Magic Demystified" with Byron Lewis. "Magic" remains an excellent introduction to NLP.

Im sorry but i cant answer the questions about God, but hey, you cant have it all right...

[magicgirl]

Hi Charlie

Sorry I didn't explain properly what I meant be being totally comfortable - I meant comfortable in a respectful kind of way - so hearing what others say, whether that be an opinion, piece of information etc - listening - then thinking "yeah I agree" or "oh thats interesting" or "well I don't agree" etc but taking onboard that what they are saying is from their model of the world and to respect that even if the opinion goes against what you believe because what others believe is important too :-)

So baiscally simply to respect what others believe and in the context of "what is god" there are obviously lots of different beliefs - but hey - if we all live and let live then maybe there would be less wars.

If everyone respected others opinions and models of the world then I guess the world would be more likely to live in peace

I have my own opinions about "what and who is god" but I think that is better kept in the esoteric section of this forum :-)

[Charlie]

Hi Charlie

Sorry I didn't explain properly what I meant be being totally comfortable - I meant comfortable in a respectful kind of way - so hearing what others say, whether that be an opinion, piece of information etc - listening - then thinking "yeah I agree" or "oh thats interesting" or "well I don't agree" etc but taking onboard that what they are saying is from their model of the world and to respect that even if the opinion goes against what you believe because what others believe is important too :-)

So baiscally simply to respect what others believe and in the context of "what is god" there are obviously lots of different beliefs - but hey - if we all live and let live then maybe there would be less wars.

If everyone respected others opinions and models of the world then I guess the world would be more likely to live in peace

I have my own opinions about "what and who is god" but I think that is better kept in the esoteric section of this forum :-)

Perhaps because I'm tired, or something, but I'm starting to get a bit confused as to who is who on this thread!

Oh well, whatever; I happen to worship Merlin, and believe she is everyone and everything, because it generally seems simpler that way.

As for respecting others, peace and love, blah blah, I generally agree, until people get 'pushy' with their beliefs/models.

Last week I walked past a church outside of which was a gigantic poster of a crucifix and a message saying "when jesus was hanging on the cross he was thinking of YOU!!!"

Hmmmm, creepy.

At least NLP seems somewhat more reserved, thus far.

But just imagine:

"The last time Richard Bandler was in a deep trance he was thinking of YOU!!!"

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[magicgirl]

Hi Charlie

That is my fault that you are confused as I posted first on another PC without my log in of magic girl :-)

I agree about the pushy thing - that is when I back off - I had somebody practically perfom and exorcism on me the other day because I mentioned I was a transformational coach and used NLP and also coz I was wearing a drop pendant!

[Charlie]

Hi Charlie

That is my fault that you are confused as I posted first on another PC without my log in of magic girl :-)

I am easily confused. <g>

I agree about the pushy thing - that is when I back off - I had somebody practically perfom and exorcism on me the other day because I mentioned I was a transformational coach and used NLP and also coz I was wearing a drop pendant!

LOL, sorry to laugh, but that is funny. An exorcism, no less!!!

It's a strange old world, it really is.

Everyone is so different, they really are.

I find many things about religion somewhat 'odd', to say the least, but from a non-NLPers point of view, I can quite understand how many would consider NLP to be very strange stuff! Even the name "neuro-linguistic programming" seems to make many people shudder! I'm actually quite careful with whom I discuss NLP, as some non-NLPers seem to feel a bit threatened by it.

BTW, I note you live in Merseyside. How is life in the 'pool nowadays? It's where I originate. My childhood memories are filled with the Sefton Park area, mainly, and also Lark Lane.

Charlie.

[magicgirl]

I too am very careful who I talk about NLP etc with - most people call me a witch coz I use NLP - so I dearnt tell them about other stuff I use :-)

I was born in liverpool and lived in Huyton - I know live on the wirral -liverpool is still cool :-D

[Charlie]

most people call me a witch coz I use NLP - so I dearnt tell them about other stuff I use :-)

<g>

liverpool is still cool :-D

That's good to know.

Does the Mersey Tunnel still exist? When my dad used to drive us through it, (when I was little), I kept looking up expecting to see big whales!

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[magicgirl]

aye still there, there are 2 :-D

[Charlie]

aye still there, there are 2 :-D

I shall therefore presume the big whales are still there, also. <g>

BTW, magicgirl, I apologise if some of my earlier postings in this thread seemed a bit 'snappy' ( i.e. curt ) towards you. - Sorry.

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[magicgirl]

sokay - I never thought you were being snappy :-)

[EC]

Charlie,

Since this thread has been reduced to a chat room anyway, hopefully the following is appropriate:

Charlie said:
>>As for respecting others, peace and love, blah blah, I generally agree, until people get 'pushy' with their beliefs/models.<<

Or was it this ?
>>Well, thanks for the advice, but I guess we can all take personal and individual responsibility for making our own minds up on the bigger questions.<<

I find other people's model of the world to be quite interesting, so:

Tell me please Charlie,
What came first, the chicken or the egg ?

EC

[Charlie]

Tell me please Charlie,
What came first, the chicken or the egg ?

* Charlie adopts a zen-like posture, and says: *

"EC, my little grasshopper, only when you fully realise the absurdity of your question can you then fully realise that the answer to your question is simply that: " 'Life is nothing but a silly yolk.........' "

* and then Charlie, ever-so-mindfully, crosses the road, to get to the other side, with a spring in his step, and joy in his heart....... *

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[EC]

>> And then Charlie, ever-so-mindfully, crosses the road, to get to the other side, with a spring in his step, and joy in his heart.......

But what do you do when the mushroom patch is empty ?

[Charlie]

But what do you do when the mushroom patch is empty ?

I go looking for Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee.........


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[Unregistered]

Just out of interest I got this information from the bbnlp.com:
Frank Pucelik was the third person involved in the beginning of NLP. He worked with Richard Bandler in the first attempt to model the patterns used by Fritz Perls to achieve reliable success with Gestalt therapy. He remained in the original research group as a participating member when Bandler and Grinder teamed up. Frank is best known for co-writing "Magic Demystified" with Byron Lewis. "Magic" remains an excellent introduction to NLP.

Im sorry but i cant answer the questions about God, but hey, you cant have it all right...

Frank is a good friend of mine. He lives in Russia and is helping troubled teens. I miss him very much. He is so good with NLP that he doesnt have to think about it when implementing the skills of the art. It is all natural for him. For him to use NLP is like me turning on my signal for changing lanes in my car. I don't think about it, I just do it. He has conditioned himself to the point of becoming a "communication wizard". It's trully remarkable to see him at work. When I use NLP I have to think about what Im doing all the time. Mirroring, paceing and leading, anchors, etc are all given thought before any action is taken. How many people in this field do you know that can perform like that? Personaly, NLP leaves me up in my head to much.

I do have much respect for those who use it to help others

[TaffyE]

I remember my father driving from North Wales to the 'pool thro' the tunnel and turning on his headlinghts ( a BIG no no). Then realising he was still wearing his sunglasses :- :-

[Charlie]

LOL, TaffyE! - and even if inadvertantly, there seems something a bit metaphorical about that story! <g>

[TaffyE]

LOL, TaffyE! - and even if inadvertantly, there seems something a bit metaphorical about that story! <g>
Definitely inadverant, but thanks for pointing it out, it hadn't occured to me. Might be able to use it sometime.

[Unregistered]

Hi unregistered :-)

In " whispering in the wind" - John Grinders latest book, he mentions Frank Pucelik. Apart from that I "saw" him searching for an old friend, and found to, that he was now living in Russia.

Having been in the business of NLP for almost 20 ys. I do remember "Magic Demystified", as it was one of a very limited ways to learn about NLP back then, at least in Europe.

From the beginning of (my(NLP-)) time, NLP has changed a lot, and in my opinion is less pragmatic and more new agey, as Time Lines, Re-imprinting and stuff is being marketed, I can hardly find the intriguing differences between NLP and other schools of therapy/classical psychology. When reading " whispering..." - it appears that John Grinder in part shares this view.

In fact, in the small country I inhabit, a major player in the field renamed NLP into NeuroLinguistic Psychology....!!!!

B@cause all